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I find this graph useful. I think you can agree at some point that AI will be more intelligent than humans, even if AI intelligence is quite different and lacking in a few (fewer every year) areas. If this is the case then this graph is quite effective at conveying that this point may be happening soon. 

Thanks for the reply, you'll be happy to know I'm not a bot. I actually mostly agree with everything you wrote so apologies if I don't reply as extensively as you have. 

There's no doubt the CCP are oppressing the Chinese people. Ive never used TikTok and never intend to (and I think it's being used as a propaganda machine). I agree that Americans have far more freedom of speech and company freedom than in China. I even think it's quite clear that Americans will be better off with Americans winning the AI race. 

The reason I am cautious boils down ... (read more)

I notice you're talking a lot about the values of American people but only talk about what the leaders of China are doing or would do. 

If you just compare both leaders likelihood of enacting a world government, once again there is no clear winner.

And if the intelligence of the governing class is of any relevance to the likelihood of a positive outcome, um, CCP seems to have USG beat hands down.

--Intelligence is only a positive sign when the agent that is intelligent cares about you.

I'm interpreting this as "intelligence is irrelevant if the CCP doesn'... (read more)

5JenniferRM
Hello anonymous account that joined 2 months ago and might be a bot! I will respond to you extensively and in good faith! <3 Yes, I agree with your summary of my focus... Indeed, I think "focusing on the people and their culture" is consistent with a liberal society, freedom of conscience, etc, which are part of the American cultural package that restrains Trump, whose even-most-loyal minions have a "liberal judeo-christian constitutional cultural package" installed in their emotional settings based on generations of familial cultures living in a free society with rule of law. By contrast, "focusing on the leadership" is in fact consistent when reasoning about China, which has only ever had "something like a Liberal Rights-Respecting Democratic Republic" for a brief period from 1912 to 1949 and is currently being oppressed by an unelected totalitarian regime. I'm not saying that Chinese people are spiritually or genetically incapable of caring about fairness and predictable leadership and freedom and wanting to engage in responsible self-rule and so on (Taiwan, for example has many ethnically Chinese people, who speak a Chinese dialect, and had ancestors from China, and who hold elections, and have rule of law, and, indeed, from a distance, seems better run that America). But for the last ~76 years, mainland China has raised human people whose cultural and institutional and moral vibe has been "power does as power wills and I should submit to that power". And for the thousands of years before 1912 it was one Emperor after another, with brief periods of violence, where winning the violent struggle explicitly conferred legitimacy. There was no debate. There was no justice. There was only murdering one's political enemies better and faster than one could be murdered in pre-emptive response, and then long periods of feudal authoritarian rule by the best murderer's gang of murderers being submitted to by cowardly peasants. That's what the feudal system was everywher

Great article, I found the decision theory behind, if they think I think they think etc very interesting. I'm a bit confused about the knight of faith. In my mental model, people who look like the knight of faith aren't accepting the situation is hopeless, but rather powering on through some combination of mentally minimizing barriers, pinning hopes on small odds and wishful thinking.

For example lets put it in the context of flipping 10 coins. 

Rationalist - I'm expecting 5 heads

My model of knight of faith - I'm expecting 10 heads because there's a sli... (read more)

Great post! I really enjoy your writing style. I agree with everything up to your last sentence of cooperative epistemics. It looks like a false equivalence between a community of perfect trust and a community based on mistrust. I'm thinking a community of "trust but verify" with a vague assumption of goodwill will capture all the benefits of mistrust without the risks of half rationalists or "half a forum of autists" going off the deep end and making a carrying error in their EV calculations to overly negative results.

Corrupted Hardware leads me to think we need to aim high to end up at an optimum level of honesty. 

Edit: Thanks Cole and Shankar. 

2Cole Wyeth
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It does seem like LLMs struggle with "trick" questions that are ironically close to well known trick questions but with an easier answer. Simple Bench is doing much the same thing and models do seem to be improving over time. I guess the important question is whether this flaw will effect more sophisticated work. 

On another note I find your question 2 to be almost incomprehensible and my first instinct would be to try to trap the bug by feeling for it with my hands. 

Can you please send the new fooming shoggoth album to spotify, I was really enjoying that music! 

edit: Ah I see this question has been answered, but I like to note that I'm impressed by the ai music and I'm going to look into making some myself. Perhaps songs about cognitive bias's could be a good way to learn them deep enough in your brain that you can avoid them in non-theroetic situations. 

It's tough to gauge which benchmarks or puzzles are important/worth getting nervous about. I can imagine a world where LLMs can still fail easy benchmarks (much easier than the one in this post) but still be superhuman in many other areas including strategic reasoning.

Another benchmark could be explaining your pun! Chatgpt couldn't help me, Claude suggested red herring but without making the connection to the hair / herring rythme. If it's something else I can't work it out. 

2Gunnar_Zarncke
Yes. I first tried things like this, too. I also tried term rewrite rules, and some of these were quite close. For example, AB -> A*(B+1) or AB -> A*(B+A) or  AB -> A*(B+index) led to some close misses (the question was which to expand first, so which associativity, I also considered expanding smaller first) but failed with later expansions. Took me half an hour to figure out that the index was not additive or multiplicative but the exponent base.
1Czynski
I meant to leave this link in that footnote. It's really quite awful.
4Knight Lee
I agree it's very hard to decide what to get nervous about. If Gemini 2.5 did succeed, I could easily dismiss it as "oh there must have been a lot of similar puzzles in its training data, even if they weren't identical. Doesn't prove anything." Failing at this puzzle doesn't prove it's stupid either, since a good number of humans can't do it either, and if Gemini 2.5 was more generally intelligent than those humans it would be a big deal. I think having an AI beat an unforgiving video game without any fine tuning is a better test, since some human jobs are similar in difficulty to video games.

I'm also interested in what I see as the most important part of any diet, how you resist temptations. As noted in your Scott Alexander link, almost any diet works as long as you stick to it, the hard part is sticking to it. I'm assuming that even if the boring diet reduces hunger you will still be tempted when offered a cookie or a bacon and egg roll. 

It felt a bit strange reading through the evidence that willpower is not important and that CICO doesn't work when that's the exact approach I used to lose 30kgs and keep it off for over 10 years now. I ... (read more)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think I was confused because it's hard to imagine putting compassionate crime prevention strategies together with a strict death penalty for repeated shoplifting. 

It would be far more moral and cost-effective to focus on prevention, through increased policing, economic opportunities or similar interventions.

Executions and lifelong prison sentences both suffer from leaving families seperated which leads to more crime and other negative externalities many of which can only be speculated upon. 

For example, American cul... (read more)

I'm curious about the purpose of this post. I think I understand the concept of steelmanning, but I’m struggling to see the specific goal here.

The post doesn’t address countries with low crime rates that don’t use the death penalty, and just seems to double down on executing vast number of criminals rather than any number of other possible options to reduce crime. Also speculating here but I imagine the impacts on social cohesion and flow on effects from ease of executions (political prisoners etc) would make the cure worse than the disease. 

Is exclud... (read more)

3Yair Halberstadt
Obviously alternative measures to reduce crime are good, and dovetail with this proposal. But all countries that do have low crime still use incarceration as a means of incapacitating prisoners, and this post advocates for the death penalty as a more cost affective alternative. Also note that countries with low crime almost all have homogeneous populations of a type that tend to have low crime even in other countries. Lessons do not necessarily transfer to countries with population groups with generally higher rates of crime.