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37% includes "incidental" and is definitely a maximum as far as I've seen. I think it's probably safe to say statistically under half. A reanalysis of the same data put that down to 30%. More modern data has that rate much lower. https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/historical-report-diversity-of-sexual-orientation.php

Including "incidental" is pretty generous too. 14% had "more than incidental" which is the data I was using.

As for the Nambikwara - very cool, and very interesting. Very proscribed, though... (read more)

Because instead of making the argument, "it's not you, it's me," he made the argument, "it's you, because I'm just like every other guy on Earth."

araneae50

Indeed. Archaeological study of the grounds surrounding Stonehenge shows evidence of what appears to be a prolonged conflict between two neighbouring settlements, which lasted several hundred years- during which time there were no new religious monuments made in the area (suggesting that most energies were devoted to this conflict). There's evidence of several major battles.

(Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04hc5v7)

4Nornagest
Stonehenge almost certainly wasn't erected by a hunter-gatherer society. Its main monuments date to about 2500 BC, which in a British context is late Neolithic or early Bronze Age (i.e. post-agricultural), and are generally attributed to the Grooved ware culture. Forager economics may have existed at the edge of agricultural civilization well after the transition, of course, but from associated artifacts, among other things, we can be pretty sure that the European megaliths were put up by sedentary agriculturalists.
araneae10

I suppose I should have said, "where group selection works in nature."

From the paper you cited: "Unlike these closed laboratory populations, populations in nature would often be open to emigration." Evidence of group selection occurring or having occurred in real populations has never been observed.

araneae10

4 does work. In Australia they have a near-perfect voter turn out. It makes voting rational, in order to avoid the fine.

You emotionally dislike the fact that voting is irrational, so you've downvoted this post, but you haven't even attempted to reason with me.

If this post is getting downvoted, it's probably because it shows a lack of awareness of a zillion previous discussions on voting, e.g. this one. Many LWers like the decision theory called Timeless Decision Theory, in which - if I understand it correctly, a dubious assumption - you consider yourself to be making a decision not just for yourself, but for all similar minds. One advantage of this is that TDT agents coo... (read more)

4Servant
The reason may be less that the LW community believes voting is rational...but that the LW community already understands that voting IS irrational, and the LW community is just reacting negatively to having the same idea be brought up again. I understand you provided some solutions to try and make voting 'rational', though, however, I do disagree with the idea that #3 and #4 would actually work. Voting only becomes rational when your vote does sways an issue, and not only is this chance incredibly small, but it would likely provoke an automatic recount, meaning your vote is again proven useless. Providing one extra vote to your side when your side is already is winning/losing is inherently irrational (at least in terms of swaying policy, not signaling views).
araneae40

The case you described, where the cancer cell resulted in the death of the individual human, could equally well be described as kin selection. An individual that hurt its close genetic relatives- and actually actively kills them- also hurts its individual reproductive success.

The argument against group selection is an argument against its usefulness as a concept. Where group selection works, it is mathematically indistinguishable from kin selection, so you might as well use kin selection as your conceptual model. Additionally, it can be confusing for people who don't understand the circumstances where it definitely cannot work, which is any case where the individuals are not closely related.

0timtyler
Er, that isn't right. See Wade's flower beetles.