All of AstroCJ's Comments + Replies

AstroCJ10

Do you mean something different from the "Parent" link beneath each post?

2jwhendy
Yes -- Disqus does essentially the same thing, but instead of "Parent," it says, "In reply to AstroCJ" -- and that hyperlinks to the comment. Not a vast difference, but if you've been reading through a string of comments that's, say, 30 comments long. There's a top thread, 5 second level threads, and the rest of the 24 comments are between 3-6 levels deep as people respond to each other. I just thought it might be helpful to re-see the name of the parent thread as you go down that deep. Maybe it's just me, but I sometimes forget which higher-level comment started all the commotion and have to go back up to look. If I saw the name, I might not even have to click it -- that'd be enough to remind me.
AstroCJ130

Remove DV links from a person's "past comment" page unless viewed in context.

(After the recent comment thread dfranke sparked, I lost a large number of upvotes from my past comments, which were previously almost uniformly weakly positively ranked. I assume my previous posts had not suddenly reduced in quality, and that someone had simply decided to go through and punish me. Making people view a comment in context - one more mouse click - would make this unconstructive action less convenient and less likely.)

4Sniffnoy
If we do that, we might want to remove upvote option from that as well.
2gwillen
I recently attended a talk by Alexis Ohanian, one of the Reddit founders, in which he led the audience to believe that, on Reddit, votes on past comments out of context only appear to work, but actually have no effect. I have not tested this on either Reddit or LessWrong.
AstroCJ60

Cycle comment thread background colours through at least three distinguishable colours; unobtrusive colours like pale blue, grey would be preferable.

(In the current system we alternate between two colours, and active sub-threads can have many branches; it's difficult to follow visually. Clicking "parent" links is something of a workaround, but breaks the flow.)

(Edit: cf Nancy's reply below)

AstroCJ20

I have a friend currently researching this precise topic; she adores reading Twilight and simultaneously thinks that it is completely damaging for young women to be reading. The distinction she drew, as far as I understood it, was that (1) Twilight is a very, very alluring fantasy - one day an immortal, beautiful man falls permanently in love with you for the rest of time and (2) canon!Edward is terrifying when considered not through the lens of Bella. Things like him watching her sleep before they'd spoken properly; he's not someone you want to hold up as a good candidate for romance.

(I personally have not read it, though I've read Alicorn's fanfic and been told a reasonable amount of detail by friends.)

AstroCJ-10

You're quite right; by paraphrasing shokwave in my rebuttal, I picked up a male pronoun. I've now edited the relevant comment to remove this. Thank you, on two levels.

EDIT: I didn't actually consciously avoid it in my first post.

AstroCJ20

From reading the thread you linked, it seems like things have improved an awful lot; no-one has weighed in with suggestions that I nail my gender to my name to warn innocent posters that they might be about to interact with a woman. Thank you for the hug; I do need to learn to control my responses to that stimulus.

(Edit: Pft, today is a day of typos.)

AstroCJ-40

(I appreciate that you are taking the time to engage with me politely, especially after I have previously been (rightly or wrongly) impolite due to anger.)

dfranke didn't make a "correct" assumption, they[1] made an "unnecessary" assumption. I find it really quite surprising and disheartening that the Less Wrong community doesn't have an interest in making a habit of avoiding these - yes, even to the point of thinking for a tenth of a second longer when using vernacular speech. Good habits, people.

There are numerous other problems here... (read more)

1Alicorn
I can personally attest that dfranke is male.
5Perplexed
Excuse me, I know you are not the first person to use the pronoun 'he' regarding dfranke, but are you certain it is appropriate? (Incidentally, I did notice that you avoided making that assumption in your initial complaint about being labeled a 'guy'. Has dfranke self-identified as male somewhere since then?)
2Vladimir_Nesov
It's not completely unnecessary, it's grammatically more convenient to use a specific gender. It's a question of priorities in deciding what to say, not of factual knowledge. You would be incorrect to argue that no a priori knowledge about your gender exists, or that it doesn't say "probably male".
4shokwave
I should have included "if he wished to gender his pronouns". I meant to communicate that the assumption he made was the correct one given his information and priors at the time; I grant that it spilled over into saying that gendering his speech was a correct choice and I did not intend that. Actually we do - as I said in the previous comment we are partial to this practice, but it is not (yet) a community norm the way that, say, having read the Sequences, or arguing in good faith allowing for the possibility of changing your mind is. I fully expect it will soon become a norm. A note on indignation: although it's a greasy social psychology point, indignation isn't the correct response unless it is a community norm. Reacting indignantly to something which is normally reacted to neutrally or ignored marks you as the unreasonable one, instead of the person that casually insulted you. Of course, this is only where "correct response" means "response that achieves the goal you want". (There's another interpretation of "correct response" that would say that indignation is a correct response, and that it fails to achieve the goal you want is a fact about the environment, not about the response). Given the concern that LessWrong already suffers from style and interest deficiencies in such respects, this is a crucial matter. I don't know how to address it other than to increase my efforts to avoid gendered speech and more often point it out to others.
5shokwave
But, dfranke didn't do these things. He made a completely correct assumption based on his knowledge of LessWrong's population, or on his prior for a random sample of the population. He didn't know anything about the downvoter except that they downvoted - he had to guess at the rest of their characteristics, he chose (again, possibly not entirely consciously) to guess at their gender in order to express himself the way he wished to. If he had known he was speaking of a transgendered downvoter, you would be justified in being angry. As he did not, you should not be angry. Note that in the past, commenters have been corrected on their usage of male gendered pronouns when explicitly referring to other posters who do not appreciate that practice, and these corrections have been upvoted - as I believe Alicorn may have mentioned. If you wish to criticize the practice of using gendered pronouns in common communication, you may do so; LessWrong is already partial to this argument, but it's not a community norm, so indignation is not the correct response.
1Alicorn
*hugs* I'm sorry that I haven't more effectively paved the way for you. This is a longstanding problem. Speaking from my (obviously inadequately-preparatory) experience, there are more effective ways to express this complaint.
2shokwave
IIRC from surveys and such, males are overrepresented on LessWrong. If dfranke is going to assume gender at all, he's better off assuming male than assuming female. If you'd prefer he didn't assume gender at all, then say so. But I presume the gendering was not a conscious decision, but rather an artifact of comfortably expressing himself; we deal with easily identifiable genders in everyday speech so we're used to patterns of speech that use genders, and consequently we have to make special effort to rephrase sentences in a non-gendered fashion. Basically, you can't be indignant about being assumed male; only about being assumed at all. This means you can't take any personal affront, because now you are criticizing someone else's style of expression, not being personally insulted or attacked. (I submit that you are being downvoted because you took personal affront to something that you really cannot take personal affront to at all)
9wedrifid
I didn't downvote but suggest that the hiss probably didn't help. It gave away the intellectual high ground. Actually, revise that, I will downvote you. Because "do not gender me male by assumption" is outright petty when you are not even named. The 'gender' was assigned to a perceived pattern in voting.
AstroCJ10

Ok, I'll give a longer response a go.

You seem to me to be fundamentally confused about the separation between the (at a minimum) two levels of reality being proposed. We have a simulation, and we have a real world. If you affect things in the simulation, such as replacing Venus with a planet twice the mass of Venus, then they are not the same; the gravitational field will be different and the simulation will follow a path different to the simulation with the original Venus. These two options are not "computationally the same".

If, on the other ... (read more)

AstroCJ00

If I have in front of me four apples that appear to me to be identical, but a specific two of them consistently are referred to as oranges by sources I normally trust, they are not computationally identical. If everyone perceived them as apples, I doubt I would be seen as ill.

0dfranke
I did a better job of phrasing my question in the edit I made to my original post than I did in my reply to Sideways that you responded to. Are you able to rephrase your response so that it answers the better version of the question? I can't figure out how to do so.
AstroCJ-10

they would not make sense

Proof?

AstroCJ-10

DV for being unconstructive.

-1Will_Sawin
I cannot determine the difference between my heavily downvoted comment and this one: "http://lesswrong.com/lw/57e/we_are_not_living_in_a_simulation/3wxb" Mine is more abridged and might be unclear, but that doesn't seem worth 13 karma points. I am confused.
0[anonymous]
(He was constructive - see the first sentence. You downvoted him because he was also rude.)
AstroCJ40

I hope you didn't take my initial comment as being aggressive or judgemental; it was a good post, well written and interesting. I hope, too, that there's no kind of fallout.

8Swimmer963 (Miranda Dixon-Luinenburg)
I don't remember what your original comment was. However, when I read the gist of all the privacy comments, I realized I really had not thought about that aspect. Aggressive has nothing to do with it.
AstroCJ10

Socially penalise, nothing. Something as personal as this, it's deeply unusual not to make it clear that you have permission; my concern is for the privacy of person under discussion.

AstroCJ140

I am alarmed and dismayed that no-one has raised the issue of privacy in this thread. Swimmer963, just from glancing through your comments, you're [rot13'd description of Swimmer963 deleted].

I didn't whizz through those to be creepy (actually I was impressed at how you seem to be consistently sensible), but if you're going to share incredibly personal details about "a friend" who was raped, we need to know if this information has been posted with her consent. The above is very easily enough to personally identify you.

On whether or not this will... (read more)

0nick012000
Why worry about Google stockpiling your personal information when people are entirely capable of profiling you anyway!
3Psychohistorian
This is an interesting point. However, given that people seldom have interest in random strangers, this really doesn't seem that worrisome. If I were particularly dedicated to finding out, say, the name of the roommate of someone I don't know on the internet's roommate, this'd give me a decentish pointer. It'd still be really hard. If I actually met the subject of this person and wanted to find out personal details about her life, I'd need to know specifically about this post and the author's relation to the subject. Otherwise, it seems quite hopeless. At the very least though, she could have been more vague on their relationship, as it would have minimized any such risk and cost the post nothing.
4komponisto
I think (or, anyway, hope) what you meant to write was "you need her consent before posting", rather than "we need to know whether you obtained her consent [so that we can socially penalize you if it turns out you didn't]."
AstroCJ30

Since we do not live in the ancestral environment now, I think the quotation could be just underlining how we should viscerally know our brain is going to output sub-optimal crud given certain inputs. Upvoted original.

AstroCJ20

Downvoted.

For games where there are multiple agents interacting, the optimal strategy will usually involve some degree of weighted randomness. If there are noncommunicating rational agents A, B, C each with (an unsplittable) $1, and charities 1 and 2 - both of which fulfil a vital function but 1 requires $2 to function and 2 requires $1 to function, I would expect the agents to donate to 1 with p = 2/3.

A rational agent is aware that other rational agents exist, and will take account of their actions.

AstroCJ20

Speaking from a physical perspective, assuming that "$\Delta x$ is small" is a meaningless statement. Whenever we state that something is large or small, unless it's a nondimensionalised number, there is something against which we are comparing it.

Simple example, which isn't the best example but is fast to construct. Comparing $1 to $(mean GDP from country to country)

*$1 is a small amount of money in the USA. Even homeless people can scrape together a dollar, and it's not even enough to buy a cup of coffee from Starbucks. It's almost worthles... (read more)

0Anatoly_Vorobey
I take your point about the meaninglessness of sizing up dimensional quantities without a referent. But sometimes the referent is inherently specified in different units. If you want to travel, with constant speed, no more than 10 miles - less is OK - then the time of your travel must be small - how small? - well, its product with your speed shouldn't exceed 10 miles. You could say, just divide 10 miles by the speed and use that as the upper bound, but that only works if the speed is fixed. If you're choosing between traveling on foot, on a bicycle, and in a car, you really are choosing on two different axes that are jointly constrained. So it is in my post: the second derivative times the donation is constrained, and the units work out. You can say "this works when the donation is small enough and the 2nd derivative is small enough" without comparing them to something in their own units, because the meaning of "small enough" is in that dimensional equation. Besides, consider the following: why is it X that you're comparing Δx to? Sure, it's in the same units, but how is it relevant? In your analogy, GNI per capita is relevant to $1 because it represents the mean income I could expect to generate over the year. But note that you're not comparing $1 to the total GNI of the country, even though it's in the same unit, dollars, because the total population size, which drives that number, is not very relevant to the effect of $1 on one single person. With charities, how is the current endowment relevant to the contribution I hope to make with my own donation? It is not, after all, as if my goal was to maximize my donation's utility relative to other donors' in the same charity - because we stipulated that I'm only caring about the total absolute good I contribute... Thanks for the suggestion about my wording - I'll try to make that example a bit clearer along the lines you propose.
AstroCJ-20

What? Are you from the mythical land where every partnering has the same intensity of sex drive?

2JoshuaZ
No. PGP is not the same as homomorphic encryption. Homomorphic encryption doesn't depend on factoring in any way. Note also, that proving the Riemann hypothesis doesn't magically give you any way to factor numbers quickly. You may be confusing this with P=NP. If such an AI had an algorithm that efficiently solved some NP complete problem then there would be a possible danger. But that's a very different claim. It might help for you to read up a bit on theoretical computer science since it sounds like you've adopted certain misconceptions that one might get at if one has simply read popularizations with minimal math content.
8paulfchristiano
Actually homomorphic encryption is currently based on a problem about ideal lattices which is very different than factoring. The same complaint applies--we don't really know if the problem is hard, just that we haven't been able to solve it. The cryptographic operation I am describing is sufficiently limited (since you control the code of the adversary) that it is plausible that we will develop unconditional proof techniques, however, long before proving P != NP. I think it would be interesting to develop such techniques, and quarantining code may turn out to be useful.
3timtyler
The posted article makes no mention of PGP encryption.
AstroCJ60

Tch! And the transcript makes it plain that I have been fooled by video editing. I suggest then the following replacement:

"...I don't have to know an answer, I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious Universe without having any purpose, which is the way it really is so far as I can tell. It doesn't frighten me." - RPF

AstroCJ00

My source was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cd36WJ79z4 is an autotuned piece which includes footage of Feynman speaking those words, but it looks like it's from interviews with BBC's Horizon.

See under "Doubt and uncertainty":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/archive/feynman/index_textonly.shtml

6AstroCJ
Tch! And the transcript makes it plain that I have been fooled by video editing. I suggest then the following replacement: "...I don't have to know an answer, I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious Universe without having any purpose, which is the way it really is so far as I can tell. It doesn't frighten me." - RPF
AstroCJ70

[EDIT: Found to be erroneous! Sorry!]

I don't feel frightened, not knowing things; I think it's much more interesting.

-Richard P. Feynman

2marxus
Nice. Do you have a source for that? Google didn't come up with much.
AstroCJ30

(On the theme of the post, I think that bluntness is most polite here - this conversation doesn't look like it's about to progress further without prodding.)

  • TheOtherDave did claim to know person X's gender? Unlikely, given the point of the example.

  • TheOtherDave did inform you of person X's gender? Then, to repeat the question: What is that gender?

3NancyLebovitz
At this point, anything one can do with third person pronouns has the potential of being seen as impolite by a fair number of people. I look at that sentence, and it's true, and I know how the situation happened, and there's a virtue in not being shocked at the real world..... but this is a very weird situation. In other news, I considered making a button that said "red is the new blue" with the words printed in reverse colors, but too many people thought it was intended as a political reference.
-5rwallace
AstroCJ70

I think that threats often do work. I have a landlord, who uses a letting agent that we pay for our utilities. The letting agent stinks, and our electricity bill just trebled from the spring quarter into the summer quarter. Summer is warmer and brighter than spring - I would expect my bill to decrease by at least 5%.

So far, so bad, except that I was away for six weeks of that quarter, and most of my housemates were travelling for at least 2 weeks - my bill should have halved on top of this 5% decrease. There's a disparity of an expected 47.5% of my pre... (read more)

0CronoDAS
In a lot of places, people use more electricity in the summer because they use air conditioning more. That doesn't seem to be the cause of your situation, though.
AstroCJ70

Strong agree and upvote, with some caveats.

I very much agree that politiking is a way to be more effective in any situation involving another person, and I think this post is a pretty nice defence of "Why should I bother to be polite?". I've several suggestions, and I've decided to try to explicitly bear in mind your bulleted advice rather than rely on my - usually pretty good - sense of what is polite.

I think you could extend the class of people of who could use this advice to be not just those who aren't interested in politeness, but those who... (read more)

2TheOtherDave
You make an excellent point here: polite isn't a on/off kind of property. As you say, "it's kind of odd to read a post without " is more polite (in the standard mode) than "You should add !" It's also less polite than "Great post! I'd love to see , though." And there are many still-better (along that axis) formulations. In the long run, where I am on that axis matters less than whether I am improving.
AstroCJ20

Proxy server and a clean browser? I recommend TOR.

AstroCJ20

Mm, good question. Will it be ice or water that falls from the sky? To put it another way, to what extend do thermodynamic changes whilst an object is Transfigured persist after the spell wears off? We know that the 2nd Law can be violated, for example, but we don't know if it is as a matter of course.

AstroCJ60

raises hand

Hey, I'm originally of British origin. I can indeed confirm that the language Harry uses has made me wince a little. This hasn't happened in the last few chapters, since we've been hearing from harry!Mort rather than Harry, and mind-dumps don't respect style, but

"I'm in Mary's Place, Professor, in Diagon Alley. Going to the restroom actually. What's wrong?"

-contains the word "restroom", which no speaker of British English would ever use in that context, and the question "What's wrong?" is a little aggressive. I w... (read more)

AstroCJ00

It's usually clear when one says something intended to interact with the mechanics of the game (e.g. saying "That's the badger" on the Two of Clubs).

End P of O.

grin

0Darmani
Teehee .... "End P of O" is just an abbreviation for the code to actually end a p. of o. (card to self for talking about the rules). Is it now? There are plenty of times when you might be tempted to say "Ouch!" or "Epic fail," but when the rule of Belittlement is in effect...
AstroCJ20

This is precisely what I was going to suggest; I had a very nice game of it just last night.

Indeed (says AstroCJ, going on to discuss strategy, but not rules of the game), I think... hmm. This might actually be worth a top-level post. Since I'm going to dispense with all pretence of obeying "the rules", I'll rot13 the rest of this post. We never played the no talking variant either.

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Znb vf n tnzr va juvpu gurer vf na rnfl (vfu) zrpunavfz sbe rnpu crefba gb zbqvsl gur ehyrf bs gur tnzr. V'yy qr... (read more)

AstroCJ00

Except for those damned lazy biologists, of course.

AstroCJ80

Ah, medium to strong disagree. I'm not far into my scientific career in $_DISCIPLINE, but any paper introducing a new "standard code" (i.e. one that you intend to use more than once) has an extensive section explaining how their code has accurately reproduced analytic results or agreed with previous simulations in a simpler case (simpler than the one currently being analysed). Most codes seem also to be open-source, since it's good for your cred if people are writing papers saying "Using x's y code, we analyse..." which means they nee... (read more)

0[anonymous]
Fluid dynamics seems to be a much more serious field than the one I was doing an REU in. None of the standard papers I read even considered supplying code. Fortunately I have found a different field of study. Also, you have persuaded me to include code in my senior thesis. Which I admit I've also debugged in a manner similar to the one mentioned in the article... I kept fixing bugs until my polynomials stopped taking up a whole page of Mathematica output and started fitting onto one line. Usually a good sign.
0AstroCJ
Except for those damned lazy biologists, of course.
AstroCJ00

So his argument is that "a human is not an appropriate tool to do this deterministic thing". So what? Neither is a log flume - but the fact that log flumes can't be used to simulate consciousness doesn't tell us anything about consciousness.

AstroCJ00

Disagree. If we allow humans to be deterministic then a "human as we know them" is driven solely by the physical laws of our universe; there is no sense in talking about our emotional motivations until we have decided that we have free will.

I think your argument does assume we have free will.

2Perplexed
I think your argument assumes "emotional motivations" cannot be reduced to (explained by) the "physical laws of our universe".
7JamesAndrix
I'm suggesting that the part of our minds that deals with hypotheticals silently rejects the premise that 'self' is a reliable squiggle controlled component in a deterministic machine. I'm also saying this is a pretty accurate hardwired assumption about humans, because we do few things with very high reliability. I don't think I'm assuming anything about free will. I don't think about it much, and I forgot how to dissolve it. I think that's a good thing.
2Unknowns
On the contrary, he is assuming we do not; he assumes that it is quite impossible that a human being would actually do the necessary work. That's why he said that "Simone can't exist" in this situation.
AstroCJ10

I cannot agree at all; simSimone is plainly conscious if meatSimone is conscious; there are no magic pattern of electrical impulses in physical space which the universe will "notice" and imbue with consciousness.

AstroCJ60

I'm a student; I value education and intellectual freedom for all sentient entities. I was told I would enjoy the Sequences after asking someone "Do you think that any 'good' society is inherently hierarchical?" over drinks.

I've always identified as a rationalist since I remember being conscious; I became a stated atheist approximately age four when I literally rejected the notion of a loving God along with the idea of Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny.

2simplicio
Good on you! I was raised what I call funeral-Christian. We would sort of half-assedly pray whenever anybody got sick or died, but my family was totally uninterested in religion otherwise. My sister asked if we were catholic at age 16 or so, to the amusement of all adults concerned. I sort of vaguely thought we were freemasons because I found my granddad's old masonic junk in a drawer. Not sure why I never thought to just ask... But I was a total moron about Santa. I actually managed to invent belief-in-belief in Santa ("maybe Santa doesn't actually exist, but does that really fundamentally matter?") at about age 7. So I'm working off a huge rationalist karmic debt.
AstroCJ50

Are you serious? You missed

g) Make an honest attempt at grasping the subject matter.

I'm not sure if this is what you intended e) to cover, but if I meet a topic I'm completely unfamiliar with, my first instinct isn't to destroy the conversation.