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It just seems crazy that I can point out that Aella is being manipulative and you guys are easily-fooled, I get a bunch of well-written and thoughtful replies telling me I am wrong and a jerk, I almost convince myself that you are right, but under closer examination what you say is completely hypocritical and applies to Aella's post too. 

And other people in the comments can point out that Aella's post is doing literally the thing she describes in her post.... and this is just of intellectual interest to you guys? Like, it's not actually making you exa... (read more)

4Viliam
Nice try.

You’re making strong personal claims about Aella and the commenters without providing enough evidence. By jumping to your conclusions and implying that the evidence is obvious, you’re violating community norms of politeness and process.

 

Isn't Aella doing exactly that here?

 (Some are a bit less skilled; for example, see Geoff Anders dutifully including option C in this otherwise aggressive tweet)

Why is this OK? If the community is so easily hypocritical then isn't this just proving my point?

5Liron
Geoff’s one tweet has enough context for me to see it as a likely example of frame control, so I think Aella has given adequate support for her claim, though it’s still possible to disagree with her analysis or ask for more supporting evidence.
1blueiris
It just seems crazy that I can point out that Aella is being manipulative and you guys are easily-fooled, I get a bunch of well-written and thoughtful replies telling me I am wrong and a jerk, I almost convince myself that you are right, but under closer examination what you say is completely hypocritical and applies to Aella's post too.  And other people in the comments can point out that Aella's post is doing literally the thing she describes in her post.... and this is just of intellectual interest to you guys? Like, it's not actually making you examine your metacognition at all? There is a total disconnect here. This is supposed to be a rationality forum but it seems you guys barely update on anything, don't really think critically, and mostly just shuffle around ingroup ideas that have been validated by [Eliezer, Aella, Scott Alexander] or whoever is in the ingroup these days and somehow don't really notice it. I think this forum is mainly interesting as a case-study in cult behaviour, avoidant thinking, and sociopath mind-control.

Well, that's for the moderator to decide. I think the points are legitimate and if someone paints a personal narrative onto something it's fine to point out the narrative as you see it.

Giving a highly mimetic name to something, a really compelling object-level mental framework, and putting a personal narrative behind it is a really big deal and actually significantly alters people's thought processes in a way they don't easily detect. I'm not actually sure that anyone should do this in any situation.

And when you tie this into an ongoing moral issue with re... (read more)

Giving a highly mimetic name to something, a really compelling object-level mental framework, and putting a personal narrative behind it is a really big deal and actually significantly alters people's thought processes in a way they don't easily detect. I don't think any of you realize how powerful this is and I'm not actually sure that anyone should do this in any situation.

This is frame control. It's interesting that several commentors have expressed unease about this post because in some sense it's doing the thing it's trying to point out.

I think it's good too.

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9Liron
You’re making strong personal claims about Aella and the commenters without providing enough evidence. By jumping to your conclusions and implying that the evidence is obvious, you’re violating community norms of politeness and process. Also, you clearly don’t know who you’re dealing with here. Many of us aren’t attracted to Aella’s gender. Many of us would speak up if we disagreed with Aella’s claims, even if we do like her and/or are attracted to her. Many of us are naturally contrarian and disagreeable. Many of us want our comments to hold up well even if it’s revealed that the author of the post actually wasn’t Aella. Etc.
cata120

I thought this post was good and I barely know Aella from Adam.

9romeostevensit
Two things 1. Retweets = friendship doesn't sound very coherent 2. Granting someone super powers of manipulation in your mental model of them means you have total explanatory freedom in ascribing motives to their actions.
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gjm190

While you're making accusations about "having an agenda with the leverage/paradigm thing": would you kindly disclose any connection you have with Leverage/Paradigm/Geoff?

(I reckon p=0.2 you are Literal Geoff Anders, and p=0.65 you are some other Leverage-associated person trying to do damage control.)

Also: you apparently consider that any time Aella talks about anything she has unfairly outsized influence because of being "a smart rationalist porn star" etc. etc. -- but what's she supposed to do about this? Never say anything about anything for fear of bei... (read more)

i was confused about how a comment that reads like this one manages to get to -60, so i'm going to guess that the conflict theory crowd sniffed out that you are their enemy from what you say and from your having created a throwaway account to comment here, and then clicked the "i would like less of this kind of comment" button.

i would like less of this kind of dynamic.

FWIW I have disliked some of Aella's blog posts but still found this valuable and strongly suspect I would if it were a throwaway account.