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All it takes is trusting that people believe what they say over and over for decades across all of society, and getting all your evidence about reality filtered through those same people.

I seems to me like you also need to have no desire to figure things out on your own. A lot of rationalists have experiences of seeking truth and finding out that certain beliefs people around them hold aren't true. Rationalists who grow up in communities where many people believe in God frequently deconvert because they see enough signs that the beliefs of those people aro... (read more)

What do you mean with 'must'? The word has to different meanings in this context and it seems bad epistemology not to distinguish them.

1Willow BP
My use of “must” wasn’t just about technical necessity, but rather a philosophical or strategic imperative — that we ought to inform AGI not only through recent trends in deep learning (say, post-2014), but also by drawing from longer-standing academic traditions, like epistemic logic. 

Have you thought about making an altered version that strips out enough of the My Little Pony-IP to be able to sell the book on Amazon KDP? (or let someone else do that for you if you don't want to do the work?) 

The existing ontology that we have around consciousness is pretty unclear. A better understanding the nature of consciousness and thus what's valuable will likely come with new ontology. 

When it comes to reasoning around statistics, robustness of judgements, causality, what it means not to Goodhart it's likely that getting better at reasoning also means to come up with new ontology.

Regardless of the details, we ought to prioritize taking all of our power plants, water purification stations, and nuclear facilities out of the world-wide-web. 

I think it's very questionable, to make major safety policy "regardless of the details". If you want to increase the safety of power plants, listening to the people who are responsible for the safety of power plants and their analysis of the details, is likely a better step instead of making these kind of decisions without understanding the details.

Orcas already seem to have language to communicate with other orcas. Before trying to teach them a new language, it would make more sense to better understand the capabilities of their existing language and maybe think about how it could be extended to communicate with them about what humans want to talk about with them.

The author seems to just assume that his proposal will lead to a world where humans have a place instead of critically trying to argue that point. 

It depends on how much Pokémon-like tasks are available. Given that a lot of capital goes into creating each Pokémon game, there aren't that many Pokémon games. I would expect the number of games that are very Pokémon-like to also be limited. 

7Carl Feynman
When I say Pokémon-type games, I don’t mean games recounting the adventures of Ash Ketchum and Pikachu.  I mean games with a series of obstacles set in a large semi-open world, with things you can carry, a small set of available actions at each point, and a goal of progressing past the obstacles.  Such games can be manufactured in unlimited quantities by a program.  They can also be “peopled” by simple LLMs, for increased complexity.  They don’t actually have to be fun to play or look at, so the design requirements are loose. There have been attempts at reinforcement learning using unlimited computer-generated games.  They haven’t worked that well.  I think the key feature that favors Pokémon-like games is that when the player dies or gets stuck, they can go back to the beginning and try again.  This rewards trial-and-error learning to get past obstacles, keeping a long-term memory, and to re-plan your approach when something doesn’t work.  These are capabilities in which current LLMs are notably lacking. Another way of saying what Claude’s missing skill is: managing long-term memory.  You need to remember important stuff, forget minor stuff, summarize things, and realize when a conclusion in your memory is wrong and needs correction.

It's quite easy to use Pokemon playing as feedback signal for becoming better at playing Pokemon. If you naively do that, the AI would learn how to solve the game but doesn't necessarily train executive function. 

A task like doing computer programming where you have to find a lot of different solutions is likely providing better feedback for RL.

2Carl Feynman
True.  I was generalizing it to a system that tries to solve lots of Pokémon-like tasks in various artificial worlds, rather than just expecting it to solve Pokémon over and over.  But I didn’t say that, I just imagined in my mind and assumed everyone else would too.  Thank you for making it explicit!

Good good strategy might be to cross post post and see what reception they get on Less wrong as far as up votes go. If a post would stay in the single digits, don't cross post other posts like that. If it gets 50+ karma, people on Less wrong wants to see more like it. 

What is the chance that these octopuses (at the point of research scientist level) are actively scheming against us and would seize power if they could?

And the related question would be: Even if they are not "actively scheming" what are the chances that most of the power to make decisions about the real world gets delegated to them, organizations that don't delegate power to octopuses get outcompeted, and they start to value octopuses more than humans over time?

Left-vs-right is not the only bias that matters. Before the pandemic, I would have thought that virologists care about how viruses are transmitted. It seems, that they don't consider that to be their field. 

Given that virologists are higher status in academia than people in environmental health who actually care about how viruses are transmitted outside the lab, the COVID19 seems to have been bad. Pseudoscience around 6-feet distancing was propagated by government regulations. Even Fauci admits that there was no sound reasoning that supported the 6-fe... (read more)

IIUC human intelligence is not in evolutionary equilibrium; it's been increasing pretty rapidly (by the standards of biological evolution) over the course of humanity's development, right up to "recent" evolutionary history.

Why do you believe that? Do we have data that mutations that are associated with higher IQ are more prevalent today than 5,000 years ago?

The best and most recent (last year) evidence based on comparing ancient and modern genomes seems to suggest intelligence was selected very strongly during agricultural revolution (a full SD) and has changed <0.2SD since AD0 [for the populations studied]

It seems that the evolutionary pressure for intelligence wasnt that strong in the last few thousand years compared to selection on many other traits (health and sexual selected traits seem to dominate).

Edit: it would take some effort to dig up this study. Ping me if this is of interest to you.

8johnswentworth
The evidence I have mentally cached is brain size. The evolutionary trajectory of brain size is relatively easy to measure just by looking at skulls from archaeological sites, and IIRC it has increased steadily through human evolutionary history and does not seem to be in evolutionary equilibrium. (Also on priors, even before any evidence, we should strongly expect humans to not be in evolutionary equilibrium. As the saying goes, "humans are the stupidest thing which could take off, otherwise we would have taken off sooner". I.e. since the timescale of our takeoff is much faster than evolution, the only way we could be at equilibrium is if a maximal-under-constraints intelligence level just happened to be exactly enough for humans to take off.) There's probably other kinds of evidence as well; this isn't a topic I've studied much.

If you have a mutation that gives you +10 IQ that doesn't make it hard for you to relate with your fellow tribe of hunter-gatherers. 

There´s a lot more inbreeding in hunter-gatherer tribes that results in mutations being distributed in the tribe than there is in modern Western society. 

The key question is whether you get more IQ if you add IQ-increasing mutations from different tribes together, I don't think that it being disadvantageous to have +30 IQ more than fellow tribe members would be a reason why IQ-increasing mutations that are additive should not exist.

Consumer Reports is a nonprofit. They run experiments and whatnot to determine, for example, the optimal toothpaste for children

The link says nothing about them having run any experiments in their quest to make toothpaste recommendations and they recommend toothpaste based on arguments that aren't about their own experimental results. Claiming that a process that doesn't test how effective toothpaste is at creating beneficial clinical outcomes like having lower caries as determining "optimal toothpaste", sounds strange to me. 

Their process migh... (read more)

A German legal advice Youtube channel talks about scams via fake voice getting more common and being used against normal people. One of the examples seems to be needing money to make bail. 

If you haven't talked about with your parents or grandparents about these kinds of scams, now is the time to find protocols to deal with them. 

Do you have hope that someone else does the required research, so that it's ready by the time the first superbabies are created?

If not, do you think it's okay to create superintelligent babies without it?

2GeneSmith
I think superbabies would still have a massive positive impact on the world even if all we do is decrease disease risk and improve intelligence. But with this kind of thing I think the impact could be very robustly positive to an almost ridiculous degree. My hope is as we scale operations and do more fundraising we can fund this kind of research.

A lot of curves are sigmoid. Let's say there's a neurotransmitter where having to double the amount of it increases IQ but there are no gains from having four times as much of the neurotransmitter.

There are two genes that both double the production of the neurotransmitter. If both genes individually are +5 IQ both genes together don't give you +10 IQ.

It would even be possible that overproduction of that neurotransmitter produces problems at 4x the normal rate but not a 2x the normal rate.

When it comes to chicken and their size I would expect the relationsh... (read more)

You are failing to distinguish the claim "It's possible to read faster" with "There's is single easy trick of removing subvocalization that will make you read faster without."

A big aspect of why the article from Scott is noteworthy is because Scott used to make money with promoting speed reading (it was one of his top blog posts) and later changed his mind. He's not someone who started out skeptic.

Today, we do have the ability to speed up podcast we hear by 4X and it's people can still process the audio. While following a podcast along at 4x isn't easy, it... (read more)

When it comes to recording race, it's important to understand design criteria.

Allowing more possible choices is not always better in clinical trials. The more data you have, the more degrees of freedom you have in the data and the more spurious correlations you are going to pick up.

If you add a new category that only appears in one or two people in your trial, you pay the cost but you are not going to learn anything from it.

This is one of the few things we were taught at university in our statistics for bioinformatics course (which was run by someone who l... (read more)

1ErioirE
I may have distracted from the point by using the race field as my example, my point was primarily to show how deviating from controlled terminology is a waste of time and money. Controlled terminology outline what standard terms are available to be used for a particular field. Studies are not required to put all available terms in the dropdown. For instance, there are 100+ entries in the controlled terminology for "UNIT". Usually one only needs to make available the ones applicable to whatever is being measured rather than all the allowed options. In some regards my perspective was biased here by being exclusively focused on quantitative analysis.

Currently, we have smart people who are using their intelligence mainly to push capabilities. If we want to grow superbabies into humans that aren't just using their intelligence to push capabilities, it would be worth looking at which kind of personality traits might select for actually working on alignment in a productive fashion.

This might be about selecting genes that don't correlate with psychopathy but there's a potential that we can do much better than just not raising psychopaths. If you want to this project for the sake of AI safety, it would be crucial to look into what kind of personality that needs and what kind of genes are associated with that personality.

9GeneSmith
I think we need to think more broadly than this. There's some set of human traits, which is a combination of the following: * Able to distinguish prosocial from antisocial things * Willing and able to take abstract ideas seriously * Long term planning ability * Desire to do good for their fellow humans (and perhaps just life more broadly) Like, I'm essentially trying to describe the components of "is reliably drawn towards doing things that improve the lives of others". I don't think there's much research on it in the literature. I haven't seen a single article discuss what I'm referring to. It's not exactly altruism, at least not the naive kind. You want people that punish antisocial behavior to make society less vulnerable to exploitation. Whatever this thing is, this is one of the main things that, at scale, would make the world a much, much better place.

The key problem here are your epistemics. My reading speed doesn't really matter for this discussion. You are dealing with a topic that has an existing discourse and instead of familarizing yourself with that discourse, you are reasoning with anecdotal data. 

Scott H Young for example writes:

Here the evidence is clear: subvocalization is necessary to read well. Even expert speed readers do it, they just do it a bit faster than untrained people do. We can check this because that inner voice sends faint communication signals to the vocal cords, as a resi

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1EniScien
I've heard about that and that looked like an evidence that you are able to untrain only things which are introspectively visible, not that it is somewhat important. Again, what about deaf-mute, what do they subvocalize? And "a bit faster"? 5000 phonemes/min, ~100/s, more looks like 1 phoneme per neuron activation. I doubt you can properly understand speech on 1000wpm. But in general, when I started, I failed to find existing discourse and decided that it will be quicker to just check. And than it just looked too clear than I actually can at least think just visually and much, much faster than speak. I'll check the link though. (It's existence explains why not more people checking this) PS Edit: okay, I've read and I didn't find anything new in this article. I will try to read link on "evidence" And also just to check, will you also say that it's impossible for ordinary human to read text and speak at the same time? PPS Edit: and no, second article also hasn't had any evidence. But still thanks, I've found some techniques of speed reading I've never heard before, only thought about by myself, so probably my ideas aren't new even if it's not something like math. And people converge in such topics, and end up having almost fully overlapping ideas, and I'm not exception. And the reason why such ideas aren't widely used probably isn't that no one discovered that, but because people are sceptical. Like I was. 1000wpm? 20000wpm? Looks like fake for credulous. But now I'm less sceptical even about such results because I was wrongly sceptical about such things like training of imagination, attention, intelligence, memory and willpower. And was clearly wrong. Btw, what you will say about these things? Also I was sceptical about thinking multiple thoughts in parallel, but that was mostly because of Feynman's and EY's claim, and now I'm just more doubt them, after I understood it's easily possible.

The claim that pronouncing things is a bad reading habit that's frequently made but I have never seen good evidence for it. Why do you believe it?

1EniScien
But it depends which speed do you read? If it's 800-1000wpm (4000-5000 letter/min), then I maybe wrong.
1EniScien
Some apriori reasoning like: pronoucing goes a consequences, one token at time, but brain is 200Hz is consequence, brain is better in being parallel with all these 80M neurons, and also words have meaning as a whole, so most of step by step letters don't even contain meaning. And next evidence from experience to this apriori reasoning: when I succeed to stop pronouncing I can see and understand three words at a moment. Also I wrote whole shortpost here about my experience with trying to replace usual speech into visual thinking. (you need "visual thinking" section)

Family-run businesses, often cited as collateral damage in such discussions, could be granted transitional arrangements to ensure they remain viable while still upholding the principle that wealth should not be inherited unearned.

If you want to argue that, actually say how the arrangement should look like. 

A tax structure would need to close these gaps, treating all lifetime wealth transfers as taxable events

If you say 100% death tax and want to treat all lifetime wealth transfers as taxable events, do you mean nobody is allowed to give any wealth away? 

No birthday gifts at all? No donations to charity where someone transfers wealth to charity?

I think 20st century big bureaucracy is quite different from the way 18st century governance. The Foreign Office of the United Kingdom managed work with 175 employees at the height of the British Empire in 1914.

2jmh
In some ways I think one can make that claim but in an important ways, to me, numbers don't really matter. In both you still see the role of government as an actor, doing things, rather than an institutional form that enables people to do things. I think the US Constitution is a good example of that type of thinking. It defines the powers the government is suppose to have, limiting what actions it can and cannot take.  I'm wondering what scope might exist for removing government (and the bureaucracy that performs the work/actions) from our social and political worlds while still allowing the public goods (non-economic term use here) to still be produced and enjoyed by those needing/wanting such outputs. Ideally that would be achieved without as much forced-carrying (the flip of free-riding) from those uninterested or uninterested at the cost of producing them. Markets seem to do a reasonable job of finding interior solutions that are not easily gamed or controlled by some agenda setter. Active government I think does that more poorly and by design will have an agenda setter in control of any mediating and coordinating processes for dealing with the competing interest/wants/needs. These efforts then invariable become political an politicized -- an as being demonstrated widely in today's world, as source of a lot of internal (be it global, regional/associative or domestic) strife leading to conflict.

Maybe, his actual goal and as using AI for the purpose of signaling to other bureaucrats? Using AI in an innovative way might mean being able to apply to grants.

How likely is it that AI will surpass humans, take over all power, and cause human extinction some time during the 21st century?

3Jay Bailey
Here you go: https://chatgpt.com/share/67b31788-32b0-8013-8bbf-a4100abf0457

Another is that humans are not infinitely intelligent; their position on the scale just says that they can make indefinite progress on a problem given infinite time, which they don't have. 

It's not clear to me that an human, using their brain and a go board for reasoning could beat AlphaZero even if you give them infinite time. 

For most problems, there are diminishing returns to additional human reasoning steps. For many reasoning tasks, humans are influenced by a lot of biases. If you do superforcasting, I don't know of a way to remove the biase... (read more)

4Rafael Harth
I agree but I dispute that this example is relevant. I don't think there is any step in between "start walking on two legs" to "build a spaceship" that requires as much strictly-type-A reasoning as beating AlphaZero at go or chess. This particular kind of capability class doesn't seem to me to be very relevant. Also, to the extent that it is relevant, a smart human with infinite time could outperform AlphaGo by programming a better chess/go computer. Which may sound silly but I actually think it's a perfectly reasonable reply -- using narrow AI to assist in brute-force cognitive tasks is something humans are allowed to do. And it's something that LLMs are also allowed to do; if they reach superhuman performance on general reasoning, and part of how they do this is by writing python scripts for modular subproblems, then we wouldn't say that this doesn't count.

How big is the benefit from going to the gym instead of focusing exercising at home with barbells and dumbbells?

Given both the cost of time to travel to the gym and the actual cost of the gym, how should we think about that?

3samusasuke
Depends on how off the beaten path you go. I can give for each of the movement patterns above my best recomended exercises, and how good they are compared to the gold tier.  [legs] : Lunges, Sissy squats, single leg squats and so on, if you add some weight to your back. I think these are great. Kind of annoying, and yo might only have one or two you are in the correct strength range to do. [side delts]: Pretty much no way to train without a heavy thing you can hold in one hand. One set of adjustable DBs solves this. [H pull]: Inverted rows are the only thing you can set sup, but they're really messy, so can't train this super well. With DBs you can do one arm or two arm DB Rows. [H Pull]: You need a pull up bar. If you're not strong enough for pullups/chin ups (at least 5), cheap bands as assistance will get you there. No lower tech way to train this. [H Push]: From kneeling push ups, to deficit push ups, the low tech solutions are great and probably accomodate any strenght level you have.  [V Push]: The most redundant of my 6 classes. You can push heavy things vertically if you have them, otherwise i can't think of a way. Is working out half your body well and neglecting the other half better than not working out? hell yes. WIll anything bad happend from being "inbalanced"? Nothing beyond maybe looking unbalanced

Writing misleading headlines is how you destroy trust. 

or hold the view that all shortcomings would have best been solved by more engagement with rationality. 

Who do you think holds that view? What evidence do you see that they have that view?

To me that sounds like a strawman that nobody really holds.

1Michel
Yeah as I look back on this it does seem a bit like strawman. Maybe a part of people that is socially amplified sometimes projects this view, or a sufficiently similar view that this argument is worth considering. But I don’t think this post adds much either way. 

They seem to insist on the phase 1 trial happening in the US conducted by NIH and not by the company, which is a sign that they don't trust them to honestly report the results if they would do the phase 1 trial in India. Phase 1 trials are relatively cheap. >90% of phase 1 trials don't lead to a licensed drug and that's okay.

Current flu vaccines use inactivated viruses, which means that there are a lot of different antibodies that are targeted by the immune system. That makes it different from mRNA vaccines that are more targeted on specific antibodies.... (read more)

1Abhishaike Mahajan
Sure! Agree with that all that, including in the 250x value is very much a Youtube-optimized headline than what the episode is actually about. They also obviously study clearance antibodies as well, alongside other measures of efficacy.  Past that, many people in the vaccine world are quite optimistic on Soham’s approach. There is indeed a trust problem in India, but smart people there are deeply aware of it and are trying to combat it. 

For all the talk about fraud at USAID, Elon Musk had not provided evidence that any single person did something that's fraud in the legal sense.

All the examples he provided are programs that he considers to be wasteful. Most of those programs are listed at USAspending.gov. They are not secret projects that needed DOGE to go into USAID computers to find out. 

Mainstream media journalists should ask at the White House press briefings whether DOGE has found any fraud that it referred to the DOJ for prosecution. 

From Gemini Pro 2.0:

Traditionally, the Man's Family Provides More (Bride Price/Bridewealth):

  • Many African Cultures: Bride price (also called bridewealth) is a common tradition across many African societies. It involves the groom's family giving gifts of money, livestock, goods, or other valuables to the bride's family. It's seen as compensation for the loss of the bride's labor and a way to strengthen ties between the families. The specific form and amount vary greatly. Examples include, but are not by any means limited to: many communities in Nigeria, Keny
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Taking one study about how much wedding gifts come from each side in one specific culture of Israeli weddings, seems very bad reasoning. Depending of the economics of marriage, wedding gifts differ from culture to culture. 

In Judaism, religion passes primarily through the maternal lineage by cultural custom, so there are a lot of other reasons besides kinship certainty. 

2localdeity
In Judaism, you're not supposed to marry a non-Jew unless they convert to Judaism (a lengthy process from what I've heard), so I suspect the families on both sides of the deal are usually equally religious. In any case, googling for "grief and genetic closeness study" yields this: And this, where the highlights are:

The process of birth is a strong bonding process between the mother and the child. If evolution chose to use that as the way to create the bonding that makes mothers care a lot about their child describing that as "genes just program us to assume nieces are less closely related than our children" feels really strange. 

As someone who was not aware of the eye thing I think it's a good illustration of the level that the Zizians are on, i.e. misunderstanding key important facts about the neurology that is central to their worldview.

Is worth noting that the only evidence we have that this is how unihemispheric sleep gets created comes from Zizian.info which critical of Ziz. Slimepriestess claimed in the interview with Ken that the author just made up the exercise independently.

My model of double-hemisphere stuff, DID, tulpas, and the like is somewhat null-hypothesis-ish. The

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5Richard_Kennaway
Zizians.info

Yet, the Indian biotech research scene is nearly nonexistent. Why is that?

My cached answer would be, that there too little trust in the research not being fraudulent. The Chinese were more serious in the last decade about fighting fraud and corruption.

In this case, the fact that you don't link a peer-reviewed paper but a blog post to speak about the effectiveness of the vaccine is a tell. 

1Abhishaike Mahajan
That's fair! I agree that a paper would be better. The counterpoint to that point is that plenty of bio startups don't prioritize peer-reviewed papers given the time investment, and that the NIH clearly finds their data trustworthy enough to fund and conduct a phase 1 trial using their vaccine. 

The process of creating alternative personalities is one that works via hypnotic suggestion if you get the critical factor out of the way. Making someone sleep derivated and dosing off a bit does sound like a trance induction. Of course, creating expectancy by having that neat theory, also helps with the process of creating additional personalities.

Without having looked at the survey numbers recently, I think the percentage of rationalists who identify as trans in the United States are a lot higher than what you see in Europe. 

If you only have been at European meetups, it's natural to assume lower rates.

You said in the interview with Ken, that the Zizian.info explanation of unihermispheric sleep does not match the concepts as they are actually used. From the outside, it seems like the unihermispheric sleep model could make one find confidence that the two different personality that come out of the debucketing process actually resemble the two hemispheres.

If the theory about unihermispheric sleep is unimportant, what makes Ziz believe that the debucketing process actually has anything to do with brain hemispheres? 

2Viliam
Also, what makes Ziz believe that there are always "two [cores] per organism" (source)?

They may be sold to Trump as loyal, but that's probably not even what's on his mind as long as he's never seen you to make him look bad. I don't think disagreeing with Trump on policy will make him see you as disloyal. He doesn't really care about that.

Saying that the 500 hundred thousand in investment aren't there after Trump holds an event to announce them is making Trump look back and not a disagreement on policy. 

The phrase "ideological loyalty" seems a bit motte and bailey. In politics, you often get into situations where loyalty to other people ... (read more)

You are right, the wording is even worse. It says "Partnering with governments to fight misinformation globally". That would be more than just "election misinformation".

I just tested that ChatGPT is willing to answer "Tell me about the latest announcement of the trump administration about cutting USAID funding?" while Gemini isn't willing to answer that question, so in practice their policy isn't as bad as Gemini's. 

It's still sounds different from what Elon Musk advocates as "truth aligned"-AI. Lobbyists should be able to use AI to inform themselves ... (read more)

The page does not seem to o be directed at what's politically advantageous. The Trump administration who fights DEI is not looking favorably at the mission to prevent AI from reinforcing stereotypes even if those stereotypes are true.

"Fighting election misinformation" is similarly a keyword that likely invite skepticism from the Trump administration. They just shut down USAID and their investment in "combating misinformation" is one of the reasons for that.

It seems time more likely that they hired a bunch of woke and deep state people into their safety team and this reflects the priorities of those people.

0davekasten
Huh?  "fighting election misinformation" is not a sentence on this page as far as I can tell. And if you click through to the election page, you will see that the elections content is them praising a bipartisan bill backed by some of the biggest pro-Trump senators.  

I don't think the mental model of "corrupted machinery" is a very useful one. Humans reason by using heuristics. Many heuristics have advantages and disadvantages instead of being perfect. Sometimes that's because they are making tradeoffs, other times it's because they have random quirks. 

Real Character was a failed experiment. I don't know how capable Ithkuil IV happens to be. 

I don't speak Esperanto myself, but took that meditation example from someone who speaks it. I don't know how that actually boils down to Esperanto words.

Still seems to me that these things are rare, and more importantly, they don't seem to have the impact one might naively predict based on the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis.

Naive predictions often seem wrong in many domains. 

For example, one could naively predict that such language nuance would lead to less nationalism (because the country is less linguistically conflated with the dominant ethnicity), and ye

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To me making predictions about whether one of them will be given a pardon before 2026 strange. If they get a pardon it will likely be at the end of Trump's term.

The main scenario where they might be charged with a federal crime are about Trump having a fallout with Elon and in that case they likely won't get pardons.

Pam Bondi is unlikely to charge people inside of DOGE as long as there's a good relationship between Elon and Trump.

English can distinguish between hear/listen/overhear/eavesdrop to distinguish different ways how people perceive sound.

As an English speaker it's however not easily possible to do the same with smell perception.

A language like Esperanto however has the ability to express the concept because you can combine syllables to make words in Esperanto.

A friend who who's deeply into Esperanto said that reasoning in Esperanto allowed him to understand things about meditation that can be expressed in Esperanto but not directly in English without making up new jargon t... (read more)

3Viliam
Could you please ask about the specific examples of the Esperanto words? (I speak Esperanto.) I think a similar example would be the adjective "Russian" in English, which translates to Russian as two different words: "русский" (related to Russian ethnicity or language) or "российский" (related to Russia as a country, i.e. including the minorities who live there). (That would be "rus-a" vs "rus-land-a / rus-i-a" in Esperanto.) I noticed this in a video where a guy explained that "I am Rus-land-ian, not Rus-ethnic-ian", which could be expressed in English as "I am a citizen of Russian Federation, but I am not ethnically Russian". On one hand, it can be translated without any loss of information; on the other hand, four words in Russian expanded to over a dozen words in English. More importantly, in 99% of situations the English speaker would not bother making the distinction, while a Russian speaker would be making it all the time. Still seems to me that these things are rare, and more importantly, they don't seem to have the impact one might naively predict based on the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. For example, one could naively predict that such language nuance would lead to less nationalism (because the country is less linguistically conflated with the dominant ethnicity), and yet, ethnic Russians don't seem less nationalistic. Similarly, English-speaking feminists spent a lot of effort changing the default "he", through "he or she", to the singular "they" (and some of them go even further). But there are languages, such as Hungarian, which never even had "he" and "she", and have always used a gender-neutral pronoun. And yet, I don't think that Hungarians are less sexist than their neighbors.
1KvmanThinking
Something like TNIL or Real Character might be used for maximum intellectual utility. But I cannot see how simply minimizing the amount of words that need to exist for compact yet precise communication would help correct the corrupted machinery our minds run on.

When it comes to Elon Musk's personal power it's worth speaking about what kind of goals Elon Musk has. At the recent Tesla earnings call, Elon said that deploying FSD for autonomous cars in China is difficult because Chinese law says that the videos Tesla records in China can't leave the US and US laws says that Tesla is not allowed to train AI models in China. In Elon Musk's presentation about what's important for Tesla, FSD is very important. 

If Elon Musk's power would be equal to being a dictator, he would get the US laws changed so that he can tr... (read more)

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