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I had one as a kid along with who knows what other diagnoses. I'm not on any medication for it but I also feel like don't really need it the way my life currently is?

One case of the changing the level of friction drastically changing things was when, in the late 1990s and 2000s, Napster and successive services made spreading copyrighted files much, much easier than it had been. These days you don't need to pirate your music because you can get almost any recorded song on YouTube whenever you want for free (possibly with an ad) or on Spotify for a cheap subscription fee...

There's one more scenario that often occurs in real life: often both sides of a potential patent fight are licensing different patents to each other. If Alpha Corp demands exorbitant licensing fees from Beta Corp, Beta Corp can threaten Alpha Corp with similar licensing fees that would cancel out any increased revenue Alpha Corp could extort from Beta Corp. As a result, neither side ever actually wins a patent fight, so they don't start.

Patent trolls are particularly likely to become predatory because, since they don't manufacture anything, they don't actu... (read more)

on the grounds that their political mindkillery effects trump their relevance to this discussion

Pun intended? ;)

But yeah, it's getting off-topic and there's plenty of other places to discuss that kind of thing.

3lsusr
I'm glad we're on the same page. :)
CronoDAS*4-4

I believe that Trump is, in fact, exactly that clueless and completely unaware of how clueless he is.

Edit: For the record: my biggest reason for believing this is having read reports of what many mainstream Republicans who worked under him during his first term have said and written about what he was like.

2lsusr
Personal moderation decision: I'm cutting off the Trump discussion here. Any further comments will be removed, on the grounds that their political mindkillery effects trump their relevance to this discussion. This policy applies only to this post and does not generalize to my other posts.

Yeah, in Star Trek, genetic engineering for increased intelligence reliably produces arrogant bastards, but that's just so they don't have to show the consequences of genetic engineering on humans...

Do we have it in any other animal besides cows? Dogs? Housecats? Fruit flies? Guinea pigs? Any other short-lived animal commonly used in laboratory research that still has a decent amount of genetic diversity?

CronoDAS*20

If you do not have compulsory patent licensing with court-set fees, then why should any one patent troll--or even the holder of a rare real patent--stop short of demanding the company's entire profit?

In practice, there are often substitutes for whatever it is that the patent owner has a patent on - if someone has a patent on making wheels out of metal and won't let you license that patent at a reasonable price, you can still make wheels out of wood or stone instead even if they're not nearly as good. So there is a limit to the amount of revenue that a p... (read more)

2CronoDAS
There's one more scenario that often occurs in real life: often both sides of a potential patent fight are licensing different patents to each other. If Alpha Corp demands exorbitant licensing fees from Beta Corp, Beta Corp can threaten Alpha Corp with similar licensing fees that would cancel out any increased revenue Alpha Corp could extort from Beta Corp. As a result, neither side ever actually wins a patent fight, so they don't start. Patent trolls are particularly likely to become predatory because, since they don't manufacture anything, they don't actually use anyone else's patents and are therefore immune to this kind of retaliation. In the United States, it seems as though one of the more common ways to avoid paying a predatory patent troll is to assert that you are not actually infringing upon a vaild patent (because what you are doing is slightly different from what was actually patented or because the patent should never have been granted in the first place) and force the patent troll to attempt to enforce its patent in court.

And yet you will observe that in all public political discourse that makes it onto TV, all the sober talking heads in business suits are talking as if by subsidizing people with $120 checks we are causing their bank accounts to go up by $120, rather than talking about how many new universities or doctors or houses the $120 checks will cause to exist.

On the bright side, the discourse might be getting a little bit better in places. Some years ago, a California politician proposed helping renters by making rent tax deductible. The proposal was immediately mocked as being a giveaway to landlords.

CronoDAS*20

I have an objection to the section titled "supply and demand are always equal". In my Econ 101 textbook, "quantity supplied" and "quantity demanded" are always equal; the terms "supply" and "demand" only referred to supply curves and demand curves. Maybe this is a nitpick, but I think it's an important one. I'd like to propose some rather significant edits to that section and to the following one about subsidies, but is this the kind of page where it's okay for changes to come from anyone, or is it important that it stay "by Eliezer Yudkowsky"?

2CronoDAS
On the bright side, the discourse might be getting a little bit better in places. Some years ago, a California politician proposed helping renters by making rent tax deductible. The proposal was immediately mocked as being a giveaway to landlords.

It's not agreed among economists which countries today might be suffering from too little aggregate demand, and working under capacity. The economists in my preferred school suspect that it is presently happening inside the European Union due to the European Central Bank being run by lunatics.

This may have been true in 2017, but post-COVID inflation suggests that it's not true anymore.

Are there really people in the world who can do nothing that anybody else with money wants?

Yes. These people are often called "disabled", "retired", or "children". For example, a person with severe Alzheimer's disease or schizophrenia is unlikely to be able to produce much of anything at all. Most people, if they live long enough, will eventually suffer enough damage from aging that they semi-voluntarily remove themselves from the labor force. Similarly, your average two-year-old probably isn't going to be productively employable either, regardless of t... (read more)

many theoretical computer scientists think our conjecture is false

Does that mean that you (plural) are either members of a theoretical computer science community or have discussed the conjecture with people that are? (I have no idea who you are or what connections you may or may not have with academia in general.)

8Eric Neyman
Yeah, I did a CS PhD in Columbia's theory group and have talked about this conjecture with a few TCS professors.

Looking good to his superiors is the one thing the Pointy-Haired Boss is actually good at. Several strips show that some of his ridiculous-seeming decisions make perfect sense from that perspective.

<irony>Robustly generalizible like noticing that bacteria aren't growing next to a certain kind of mold that contaminated your petri dish or that photographic film is getting fogged when there's no obvious source of light?</irony>

Elaborating on The Very General Helper Strategy: the first thing you do when planning a route by hand is find some reasonably up-to-date maps.

One thing that almost always tends to robustly generalize is improving the tools that people use to gather information and make measurements. And this also tends to snowball in unexpected ways - would anyone have guessed beforehand that the most important invention in the history of medicine would turn out to be a better magnifying glass? (And tools can include mathematical techniques, too - being able to run statist... (read more)

Hmmm. Taking this literally, if I didn't know where I was going, one thing I might do is look up hotel chains and find out which ones suit my needs with respect to price level and features and which don't, so when I know what city I want to travel to, I can then find out if my top choices of hotel chain have a hotel in a convenient location there.

Meta-strategy: try to find things that are both relevant to what you want and mostly independent of the things you don't know about?

For some reason, this story generated a sense of dread in me - I kept waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop.

Well, you could start by looking at the cosmetic differences achieved by dog breeders as a lower limit to what it is possible to acheive by tinkering with a genome...

Straight-up diminishing marginal utility of wealth, then?

1PoignardAzur
Not necessarily. I think any method that calculates the value/utility of your wealth as a timeless function of utility per amount will be pretty disconnected to how people behave in practice. It doesn't account for people making plans and having to scrap them because an accident cost them their savings, for instance. (But then again, I'm not an economist, maybe there are timeless frameworks that account for that.)

Well, that's the Bay Area for you - ground zero for both computer-related things and the hippie movement.

The answer to your specific question about the Fermi Paradox is that, after an AI destroys its creators, the AI itself would presumably still be there to do whatever it wanted, which could include plans for the rest of the universe outside its solar system. So "AI that kills its creators" still leaves us with the question of why we haven't seen any AIs spreading through our galaxy either.

I live in New Jersey and have no job and lots of free time. How can I do this for someone without moving to the Bay Area?

2Eli Tyre
I'm open to hiring people remotely. DM me.

Human capital is worth nothing after you die, though.

Does the answer to "should I buy insurance" change if the interest rate that you earn on your wealth is zero or even negative?

1PoignardAzur
Something about the article felt off to me, and "should I buy insurance if interest rates are zero" is a good intuition pump for why. Yes, I think you should still buy insurance. The reason I'd come up with, peace of mind aside, is losing a lot of money at once is worse than losing a little money over time, because when you lose a lot of money your options are more limited. You have less flexibility, less ability to capitalize on opportunities, less ability to withstand other catastrophes, etc.

Although I don't quite fit the broader diagnosis, the phrase "demand avoidance" does describe how I've been at my low points - what I wanted most at those times in my life was to be free from obligations in general, such as the obligation to go to school, the obligation to get out of bed, the obligation to eat food, etc. - for there to be absolutely nothing that I would "have to" do if I preferred not to do it. Unfortunately, taking that impulse - to be free to do absolutely nothing, without anyone or anything influencing me otherwise - to its logical extr... (read more)

I did have an "internship" right after college for a few months and was completely miserable during it. The other problem was that one thing I valued highly was free time, and regardless of how much money and status a 40 hour a week job gives you, that's still 40 hours a week in which your time isn't free! There are very few jobs in which, like an Uber driver, you have absolute freedom to choose when and how much to work and the only consequence of not working for a period of time is that you don't get paid - you can't "lose your job" for choosing not to s... (read more)

2Viliam
Yeah, the same here. The harder I work the more money I can get (though the relation is not linear; more like logarithmic), but at this point the thing I want it not money... it is free time! I guess the official solution is to save money for early retirement. Which requires investing the money wisely, otherwise the inflation eats it. By the way, perhaps you could have some people check your resume, maybe you are doing something wrong there.

Quite possibly. I did get an ADHD diagnosis as a kid...

Yeah, except that sometimes I'm weirdly insensitive to punishments and other threats. For some reason, my brain often (mistakenly?) concludes that doing the thing that would let me avoid the punishment is impossible, and I just shut down completely instead of trying to comply.

As I once wrote before:

Guy with a gun: I'm going to shoot you if you haven't changed the sheets on your bed by tomorrow.

Me: AAH I'M GOING TO DIE IT'S NO GOOD I MIGHT AS WELL SPEND THE DAY LYING IN BED PLAYING VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GET SHOT TOMORROW SOMEONE CALL THE FUNERA

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3Viliam
Could possibly this be what they call ADHD? (By the way, I seem to have a milder form of this. If the consequences are sufficiently bad or sufficiently near, like when there is deadline, I can make myself do the unpleasant thing. But things that have no external deadline... often just don't happen, sometimes for years.)
1Martin Randall
Oh, I remember and liked that comment! But I didn't remember your username. I have a bit more information about that now, but I'll write it there. From the model in this article, I think the way this should work in the high-willpower case is that your planner gets credit aka willpower for accurate short-term predictions and that gives it credit for long-term predictions like "if I get good grades then I will get into a good college and then I will get a good job and then I will get status, power, sex, children, etc". In your case it sounds like your planner was predicting "if I don't get good grades then I will be homeless" and this prediction was wrong, because your parents supported you. Also it was predicting "if I get a good job then it will be horrifying", which isn't true for most people. Perhaps it was mis-calibrated and overly prone to predicting doom? You mention depression in the linked comment. From the model in this article, someone's visceral processes will respond to a mis-calibrated planner by reducing its influence aka willpower. I don't mean to pry. The broader point is that improving the planner should increase willpower, with some lag while the planner gets credit for its improved plans. The details of how to do that will be different for each person.

Pets often make their needs quite obvious if you "forget" to take care of them. When my dog wants something from me, he won't leave me alone until I figure out what it is.

They can also be immediately rewarding and stay that way. I wouldn't necessarily recommend a goldfish, but if you're already an animal lover it's hard to become bored with a dog or cat.

Ten-year-old me had an objection to the idea of "willpower" on principle. Obviously, "Willpower" is the process by which people get themselves to do unpleasant things. I don't want to do unpleasant things. Therefore, having as little Willpower as possible will minimize the unpleasant things I end up doing.

Another way I've found myself with a lack of ability to motivate myself seems related to the post's original thesis. Up until I finally graduated college, my typical use of "willpower"-based motivation would be to do something I'd rather not have to do (u... (read more)

1Martin Randall
What should happen is that you occasionally fail to do homework and instead play video games. Then there are worse negative consequences as predicted. And then your verbal planner gets more credit and so you have more willpower.

I donated $100. I'm fairly income-constrained at the moment so I'd be nervous about donating more.

That might be okay. But I reserve the right to refuse to treat any possible "mind" that does not participate in the arrow of time as though it did not exist.

CronoDAS2-2

A while back, I decided that any theory of cosmology that implies that I'm a Boltzmann brain is almost certainly wrong.

5Raemon
What if it implies you're only a Boltzmann brain a little-teeny-tiny-bit?

I've heard that, in Las Vegas, if you put yourself on the government's "compulsive gambler" list, you can still walk into any casino, give them your money, and place a bet - the only difference being that, if you happen to win, the casino keeps your money as if you had lost.

I think it should work the other way around, making it the casino's responsibility to avoid accepting bets from self-proclaimed problem gamblers - if you're on the list and the casino doesn't stop you from betting, the casino has to give you back any money you lose.

3Aprillion
The failure mode of the current policy sounds to me like "pay for your own lesson to feel less motivated to do it again" while the failure mode of this proposal would be "one of the casinos might maybe help you cheat the system which will feel even more exciting" - almost as if the people who made the current policy knew what they were doing to set aligned incentives 🤔

It's also trivial to make a perpetual motion machine with Portal portals. Just have a portal in the floor that teleports you to the ceiling directly above it, then drop a ball into it. It'll fall forever, accelerating until it hits terminal velocity (at which point all the gravitational potential energy goes to heating the air it falls through).

If you don't want to just throw out conservation of energy, using a portal to "lift" things would have to take the same amount of energy as lifting it through normal space does.

3Ben
Yes, you could fix it by making the portal pay for lifting. An alternative fix would be to let gravity go through portals, so the ball feels the Earth's gravity by the direct route and also through the portal. Which I think makes the column between the two portals zero G, with gravity returning towards normal as you move radially. This solution only deals with the steady-state though, at the moment portals appear or disappear the gravitational potential energy of objects (especially those near the portal) would step abruptly. Its quite a fun situation to think about.

Sometimes I remember having had the thought "this is a dream" while dreaming, but doing that doesn't really give me any extra "conscious" control over what happens - all it does is let me "decide" to wake up.

I have yet to be able to successfully make a Google search during a dream - what I "intend" to search for is never what appears in the box I'm trying to "type" the search query into.

Jacen Solo became an evil Sith because the people in charge of the Star Wars franchise at the time thought having the brother named Anakin Solo be the one to do it would be too ridiculous. The rest is writers trying to make the decisions of a Pointy-Haired Boss make sense.

2AnthonyC
Fair enough. I still think it aligns well with the overall vibe and ethos of the setting.
CronoDAS*91

I think I've probably spent the majority of my 42 years of life in a laziness death spiral. ☹️

In other words, aggressively run away from your goals, and reflect on how miserable it is to live that way. The reflection is crucial: if you’re self-forgetful / not mindful about it, you’ll risk staying in that state. Do it for a week or two, reflect on how much it sucks, and in doing so you’ll condition your mind to view the goal as a valuable opportunity to escape that misery (which it is).

When I do this kind of thing, it tends to be called "depressive rumi... (read more)

1meedstrom
I recognize myself. Thank you for putting that into words. Out of curiosity, do you have an ADHD diagnosis or consider getting one? Thanks for the first link, it led me to demand avoidance, where caregivers/friends can make it easier with declarative language. I've been working on similar thoughts about "how to talk to someone with ADHD". E.g. I find it more comfortable to hear "let me know if you want support with that", rather than be asked "do you need support with that?". Somehow, no demand for response makes it easier to think and respond.

Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

-- John Harrington

The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

-- Arthur C. Clarke

3Martin Randall
Is the quote here: "we're here to devour each other alive"?
CronoDAS100

The quote is from an appendix that consists entirely of epigrams that are attributed to one of the characters in the play - it's not actually part of the play as performed. (Shaw was tired of "smart" characters in plays that don't actually do anything to show that they're smart so he wrote it to justify the character's asserted intelligence.)

1Czynski
That's a fascinating approach to characterization. What do you do, have the actors all read the appendix before they start rehearsals?
CronoDAS121

(The joke here is that, given the other axioms of ZF set theory, each of these three things can be used to prove the other two - they're either all true or all false, regardless of how plausible or implausible they might seem on their own.)

If things go wrong[1] then our neural net will conclude that it has high status despite all evidence to the contrary. We have programmed schizophrenia.

No, you've programmed grandiose delusions - a lot more goes wrong with schizophrenia than just that.

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