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"The 'law of causality' is obsolete and misleading. The principle 'same cause, same effect' is utterly otiose. As soon as the antecedents have been given sufficiently fully to enable the consequent to be calculated with some exactitude, the antecedents have become so complicated that it is very unlikely they will ever recur." - Bertrand Russell "On the Notion of Cause", 1913

4B_For_Bandana
What's the context here? Many kinds of experiments are repeatable after all.

Thanks - makes sense. My fault, I don't know how I missed that post... I love this blog!

Reason for downvotes please?

lavalamp150

We really don't like that Yudkowsky guy.

More seriously, I think quotes in these threads are supposed to be from external sources, and he recently made a big post expressing this sentiment...

7nshepperd
You're not suppposed to quote things from LW or OB.
0EndlessEnigma
Reason for downvotes please?

I'd say that is a fair answer. Without more context it’s hard to say exactly what Turing meant; he might have been referring to the different ways science and religion each handle causality. In science, causes are local in space and time -- perfectly modeled by a differential equation. In religion, causality is placed by fiat: a First Cause (boundary condition at the beginning of time) or final causes (teleology).

Another way of looking at the quote is to notice that physics especially concerns itself with continuous changes in space and time. Each infi... (read more)

"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition."

Alan Turing, Alan Turing: the Enigma (Vintage edition 1992), p. 513

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Explanation for the down votes please?

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1MinibearRex
I did not downvote, and did not see the post until after it had been redacted. Hairyfigment's description is pretty good. To that, I would add that I recognize the passage from Jaynes that you're quoting, and I do understand why it seems particularly valuable. However, a while after reading it, or without ever having read that particular passage, I do have to say that the section you quoted is much less useful, powerful, whatever, without the remainder of the passage. It also could have been downvoted by the substantial number of users on less wrong who just generally dislike the present state of discussion on quantum physics.
6hairyfigment
Very good question. People may disagree with the quote, or may think that out of context it misrepresents Jaynes. In the most charitable interpretation that occurs to me, they think you overestimate the clarity and usefulness of the quote.
-1EndlessEnigma
Explanation for the down votes please?

The discovery of truth is prevented most effectively, not by false appearances which mislead into error, nor directly by weakness of reasoning powers, but by pre-conceived opinion, by prejudice, which as a pseudo a priori stands in the path of truth and is then like a contrary wind driving a ship away from land, so that sail and rudder labour in vain.

  • Arthur Schopenhauer "On Philosophy and the Intellect"
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0blashimov
Rephrase: why was the post retracted?
0blashimov
Why the strike through?