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Well, we get a lot of the "I can't compile it" emails and while we are not especially excited to receive these, we usually reply and guide people through the process with minimal condescension.

There has been progressive additions to OpenCog from closed source projects, but they've never prevented the core framework from compiling and working in and of itself.

Apologies for my tone too. We occasionally get people trolling or trash-talking us without taking any time to understand the project... sometimes they just outright lie, and that's frustrating. Of course, we're not perfect as an OSS project, but we are constantly trying to improve.

Well new is relative... so without any familiarity of your knowledge on OpenCog I can't comment.

2cousin_it
New insights relative to the current state of academia. Many of us here are up-to-date with the relevant areas (or trying to be). I'm not sure what my knowledge of OpenCog has to do with anything, as I was asking for the benefit of all onlookers too.

Ben's publishing several books (well, he's already published several, but he's publishing the already written "Building Better Minds" early 2012 and a pop sci version shortly there after which are more current regarding OpenCog). I'll be writing a "practical" guide to OpenCog once we reach our 1.0 release at the end of 2012.

Ben actually does quite a lot of writing, theorizing and conferences. Whereas myself and a number of others are more concerned with the software development side of things.

We also have a wiki: http://wiki.opencog.org

2cousin_it
What new insights are there?

I'll also volunteer my place in Mong Kok on Fa Yuen St if it's a small meet up of 4-5 people. There is a bar down the road called "168 Future" which might be a contender to head out for drinks.

(Neither options have skyline unfortunately however)

I'm also interested and part of the same project. Jared and I work in Kowloon Tong and I live in Mong Kok. Have messaged my cell number...

1Isaac
Awesome! Since at the moment it looks like it'll just be the three of us, I'll suggest meeting up in the bar ferrouswheel mentioned below (168 Future) at 6pm. Will add the details to the article if anyone else wants to drop by. I've stumbled across OpenCog before and thought it sounded like an interesting approach, though I never looked into it in much detail. My bachelors thesis is actually about writing a texas holdem-playing AI, focusing on using machine learning to model an opponent's behaviour - which I guess has some slight relation to yousen's project. Well, it should be one thing to talk about anyway. Will try and msg tomorrow to confirm.

Not particularly, people have been claiming a decade from human-level intelligence since the dawn of the AI field, why should now be any different? ;p

And usually people would consider a decade being more than a "few years" - which was sort of my point.

As I see it, OpenCog is making practical progress towards an architecture for AGI, whereas SIAI is focused on the theory of Friendly AI.

I specifically added "consultation with SIAI" in the latter part of OpenCog's roadmap to try to ensure the highest odds of OpenCog remaining friendly under self-improvement.

As far as I'm aware there is no software development going on in SIAI, it's all theoretical and philosophical comment on decision theory etc. (this might have changed, but I haven't heard anything about them launching an engineering or experimental effort).

3XiXiDu
Indeed, that is another reason for me to conclude that the SIAI should seek cooperation with projects that follow an experimental approach.

Yeah, you've tried to contribute huh? Who are you again and why is there no mention of you in my complete archive of the OpenCog mailing lists?

Or perhaps it could be that Ben is too busy actually developing and researching AI to spend time discussing them ad nauseum? I stopped following many mailing lists or communities like this because I don't actually have time to argue in circles with people.

(But make an exception when people start making up untruths about OpenCog)

2cousin_it
Even if they don't want to discuss their insights "ad nauseum", I need some indication that they have new insights. Otherwise they won't be able to build AI. "Busy developing and researching" doesn't look very promising from the outside, considering how many other groups present themselves the same way.

Well, if you bothered looking at our/OpenCog's roadmap you'll see it doesn't expect AGI in a "few years".

What magical software engineering tools are you after that can't be built with the current tools we have?

If nobody attempts to build these then nothing will ever improve - people will just go "oh, that can't be done right now, let's just wait a while until the tools appear that make AGI like snapping lego together". Which is fine if you want to leave the R&D to other people... like us.

1Vladimir_M
ferrouswheel: The roadmap on opencog.org has among its milestones: "2019-2021: Full-On Human Level AGI." Well, if I knew, I'd be cashing in on the idea, not discussing it here. In any case, surely you must agree that claiming the ability to develop an AGI within a decade is a very extraordinary claim.

Modafinil removes the urge to sleep pretty well - but as thomblake mentions, it depends on how you define that ill-defined concept.