All of G_Ruby's Comments + Replies

G_Ruby20

Hello,

Aye, thank you.

It is a comfort to me to know I can have my misconceptions knocked out of me in a gentle and civil way here.

I think I'll enjoy learning from this community.

G_Ruby10

Hello,

Yes! That's the concept! Thank you!

If possible, I would like to apologize for misusing the concept of "utilitarianism" for what should have been "reciprocal altruism".

For the sake of the discussion, please assume that my original comments have been amended to reflect this.

2thomblake
Not to worry. When I started around these folks, I was mistaking their use of "altruism" for what we call "altruism" in ethics, which is a different animal entirely. That's one reason we try not to argue too hard about mere definitions.
G_Ruby00

Hello,

I did not mean to imply that people generally seek their own happiness over the greater good for all. Nor did I mean to imply that there was a dichotomy between the two at all.

I keep alluding to people pursuing what they "perceive" as "most likely" bringing happiness. I tend to see people's perceptions as to what can make them happy as being inspired by their social and cultural influences --- Family, friends, lovers, associates, religion, economic and political views, social upbringing, etc.

But I do see what you're saying --- and... (read more)

G_Ruby00

Hello,

As far as I know, the definition of utilitarianism that I typed is in wide acceptance by the philosophical and psychological community at large.

References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism

http://www.utilitarianism.com/

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utilitarianism

My personal view on utilitarianism is that most people in our culture view it as valid in their broader context of beliefs and pursue it accordingly. Unfortunately, what people often perceive as utilitarian may not actually lead to their satisfaction.

Hence my writing that... (read more)

2thomblake
The sources you cited don't seem to support your definition, but rather use the sort more well known to ethicists. The one on Wikipedia does a good enough job: That is, it doesn't suggest what people actually do strive for, nor does it suggest that people are after their own happiness. Rather, it's an ethical theory for which the following are true: * An action is right if it leads to a good outcome * An outcome is good if it maximizes overall net utility Of course, there are variations on Utilitarianism and different ideas of what 'utility' means (Jeremy Bentham believed more pleasure / less pain summed it up). But they're all variants on this theory. The theory that each person only ever pursues what leads to their own happiness is commonly called 'psychological hedonism', and is of questionable worth since it's usually presented in a nonfalsifiable fashion.
G_Ruby10

Hello,

Utilitarian theory is the sociological and philosophical theory that all people desire and strive for whatever they perceive to lead to their happiness.

Reciprocal utilitarianism is a theory of social interaction in which you assist others in achieving what they perceive to lead to happiness in the hopes that they may assist you in the same in the near future.

My main focus when interacting with anyone is to ascertain whether they are generally counter-reciprocal or preemptively-reciprocal, honest, trustworthy, reliable and congenial.

In most situations... (read more)

2Douglas_Knight
You mean reciprocal altruism. "Sociobiology" was a dead give-away.
0thomblake
Who defines it this way? It sounds like you're talking about psychological hedonism, or something like it.
G_Ruby40

Hello,

  • "From what you said, I assume that you have personally decided to not be offended when the other person did not mean to offend."

  • Well, yes. My acting policy is that I should not react outwardly or overly emotionally to another person's statements if the consequences of these statements have no perceived negative effect on those things I value [my reputation in my community, my life, my property, my loved ones]. It is a policy that has served me well in recent years. I just wish I had adhered to it in earlier stages of my life.

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0LucasSloan
I'm not entirely certain what your "reciprocal utilitarianism" means. Do you value how people actually respond to your acts or just that you are giving them "good" consequences?
G_Ruby30

Hello,

Again, from a rationalist perspective, Alicorn's aversion to some oft-espoused views on this site about women and sex aren't rational and objective in themselves, but subjective views on the rational consequences of the commentary; I.E. - Possibly repelling a desired demographic's (rationalist women) inclusion and participation here.

So it seems that one of the most rational perspectives on the issue is the question of whether the membership of this site could come to a consensus as to whether they want to harbor some self-imposed restrictions and dec... (read more)

0LucasSloan
From what you said, I assume that you have personally decided to not be offended when the other person did not mean to offend. You say you are "large" by which I assume you are overweight(1), well, welcome to the club. I too ignore things people say (even things which are deliberately offensive). But although my mother's BMI is far higher than mine, I do not go around making statements analogous to those I put up with to her. I used to believe that the golden rule gave me license to do anything to other people which I was willing to put up with, and to a certain degree, that still makes sense. However, it is rarely my goal to annoy/offend people (it happens any way, but I try not to make the same mistake twice) and as far as I can tell, it is not your goal either. I do not believe that a consensus on how to act is necessary, but just as if someone was offended by my use of the word "retard" I would not use it in their presence unless I wanted to piss them off. You don't swear in front of your grandmother after all. I do not believe that we are desperately contrary to each other, but I prefer to think in terms of how I wish others to be affected than in terms of how they should interpret me. (1)notice how I used a more or less clinical term when a more offensive term like fat was available
G_Ruby00

Apologies.

My previous comment was moved to a more appropriate place in the thread.

[I am still trying to get used to this site's non-linear commenting system.]

G_Ruby70

Hello all,

New rationalist/reader/commenter here.

I originally wrote a rant against PUA culture and then a summation of that rant to post here, but I realized that most, if not all, of my objections to what I perceive to be negative in the PUA community and practice are derived from my biases [and insecurities] rather than a truly rational foundation.

I can object to the PUA sub-culture out of personal distaste, and maybe from a weak ethical point of view, but besides parts of the body of PUA doctrine and rhetoric, there is really nothing irrational about the... (read more)