All of Göran Crafte's Comments + Replies

Sustainable freedom? The problem is that everyone decides what freedom is. It's an empty bag and no one can prove that their version of liberalism is true. Not even a super-AI will be able to tell us what true freedom is. It might even say that true freedom is Death... Like the Kenyan sect that recently starved itself to death.

I'd like to talk a little more about intelligent ecological pluralism, but might possibly have to improve my ideas even more to really get people interested.

People talking a lot about "freedom" or "liberty" generally just care for their short term interests. We need sustainability.

2Leo Glisic
Agree. Tried to capture this under 'Potential Challenges' item #4. My hope is that people would value the environment and sustainability beyond just their own short term interests, but it's not clear whether that would happen to a sufficient degree.
2the gears to ascension
true, but we still need the sustainable version of the thing they say they want.

Why would an AI which has been given the role of defending plurality start to think that paper clips are much more fun?

2[anonymous]
Because we have given up all autonomy and have no purpose in existing.

I suggest that we need an intelligent ecological value pluralism, some international laws that protect value plurality and possibly also a Guardian AI which protects value plurality.

 

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kaz9miAuxSAAuGr9z/value-pluralism-and-ai

1[anonymous]
That's suicide for humans.  See above.

Here is my shorter text: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kaz9miAuxSAAuGr9z/value-pluralism-and-ai

1mishka
Thanks, that's quite useful. Apart from value thinking, you are also saying: "It seems pretty clear to me that the more or less artificial super-intelligence already exists, and keeps an eye on our planet".  I'd love to read why you are certain about this (I don't know if explaining why you are sure that a super-intelligent entity already exists is a part of your longer text).

Thanks for your support and the link list. I'll translate my longer text in a little while.

You seem to forget the love of complex life forms. Why do you presume a super-AI would love paper clips more than complex beings? Are paper clips more intelligent, funnier or sweeter than humans? A super-AI which choose paper clips over humans can't really be intelligent.

3Vladimir_Nesov
See orthogonality thesis.

Humanity as well as AIs certainly need a better value thinking than the ones we now try to steer the world with. I have written a short text entitled "Value Pluralism and AI" and a longer text entitled "Intelligent Ecological Pluralism". The longer text has to be translated to English, but the shorter text is ready for publishing.

(It seems pretty clear to me that the more or less artificial super-intelligence already exists, and keeps an eye on our planet, so you might worry a bit too much. We might just have to convince the more or less universal super-intelligence that humanity is worth saving. It most probably already has made up its mind about that issue.)

2mishka
Please publish!