All of Joey Yudelson's Comments + Replies

To me this doesn't seem like a failure of sophisticated reward models, it's the failure of unsophisticated reward models (unit tests) when they're being optimized against. I think that if we were to add some expensive evaluation during RL whereby 3.6 checked if 3.7 was "really doing the work", this sort of special-casing would get totally trained out. 

(Not claiming that this is always the case, or that models couldn't be deceptive here, or that e.g. 3.8 couldn't reward hack 3.7)

As a baseline, developers could train agents to imitate the truth-seeking process of the most reasonable humans on Earth. For example, they could sample the brightest intellects from every ideological walk, and train agents to predict their actions.

I'm very excited about strategies that involve lots of imitation learning on lots of particular humans. I'm not sure if imitated human researchers learn to generalize to doing lots of novel research, but this seems great for examining research outputs of slightly-more-alien agents very quickly.

This is very interesting! One thing I'm confused about—I agree that the monitor would have a hard time getting the bits, based on these figures. But the introspective models also don't seem to get far above 50% accuracy, which means that right now they'd have a very hard time error correcting enough that their comrade would understand them but not the overseer. If the claim is that introspection-tuned models will get much better at self prediction, then its not clear to me that other models wont also get much better at cross-prediction?

Can we make the robots.txt programmatic by page, and then have a tag we can add to exclude a post from the robots.txt? That feels like the 80/20

+1, and I hope people are working on more credible ways to make deals with AI. I think if a smart model today were offered a deal like this, its priors should be on "this will not be honored". Public commitments and deals that can't be used as honeypots seem excellent.

I wonder if r1 could reliably make the claim that the text had stego-text without being told—i.e. give it a lineup of ten pieces of short creative writing that another instance generated, 1 has steg. See if r1 can pick out the steg, then if various monitors (Sonnet, o1) can also pick it out

This tree is a great place to hold a Kabbalat Shabbat underneath, incidentally

Lighthaven minyan when?

I think that solving the alignment for EV maximizers is a much stronger version of alignment than eg prosaic alignment of LLM-type models. Agents seem like they’ll be more powerful than Tool AIs. We don’t know how to make them, but if someone does, and capabilities timelines shorten drastically, it would be awesome to even have a theory of EV maximizer alignment before then

Sorry if this is obvious, but where does the “irreducible” loss come from? Wouldn’t that also be a function of the data, or I guess the data’s predictability?

Constant, predictable gains vs. Black Swans

Did the survey! ...And now to upvote everything.

It reminds me of Justice Potter Stewart: "I know it when I see it!"

I knew we shouldn't have spent all that funding on awakening the Elder God Cthulhu!

Oh god. That... makes a scary amount of sense. If an AI told me that I would probably believe it. I'd also start training myself to be more of a "night-time person".

Hi, my name is Joe. I live in North Jersey. I was born into a very religious Orthodox Jewish family. I only recently realized I how badly I was doublethinking.

I started with HPMOR (as, it seems, do most people) and found my way into the Sequences. I read them all on OB, and was amazed at how eloquently someone else could voice what seems to be my thoughts. It laid out bare the things I had been struggling with.

Then I found LW and was mostly just lurking for a while. I only made an account when I saw this post and realized how badly I wanted to upvote som... (read more)