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Do you have any real world feedback for this?  I think the idea is provisionally great, but the article would be 10x better at conveying the loop of learning to others if you gave many concrete examples where this actually helped and was worth the effort. My guess is that it is really exponential over time. 

I have some examples in my feedback loop documents where I do do this and it has really helped. 

I also have 2 extra versions where I try 1) using system 1 thinking explicitly for system 2, 2) I skip forward in time and just think about the entire next conversation that would unfold after the one in my present head. 

2Raemon
The feedbackloops in escalating "realness" here for me are: * Do I identify principles/skills/habits/etc that seem like they should successfully cut down on time spent on things I regularly do? * Do I successfully identify moments where it seems like I should "think something faster the first time?", by applying a technique? * Do I do that? Does it seem to save time? ("does it seem to save time?" isn't an ironclad feedbackloop obviously. But, I think it + common sense is at least pretty good) I've been doing some-kind-of-variant on this since 2023 with the Thinking Physics exercise "reflection portion". Everything in Skills from a year of Purposeful Rationality Practice I think at least somewhat counts as habits that I've gained that allow me to think either think-things-faster, or, think-things-at-all. I workshopped and ad-hoc "review your thinking for 10 minutes" after various exercises into the ~hour-long exercise you see here, a few months ago. In that time, some new things I try at least sometimes * Look at my checklist for debugging code, and do the things on it. These so far include: * "actually adopt a stance of 'form hypotheses and try to disprove them'" * "patiently follow the code all the way up the stack" (instead of bouncing off after the second step) * "binary search for where the problem is by commenting out ~half the code in the relevant section." (these may seem obvious but I'm just not that strong a developer, and exercises like this are the main mechanism by which I've gotten better at basic debugging skills) * Try the simple dumb thing first. (I still fail to do this an embarrassing amount of time, but am working on it) * When I notice myself flailing around myopically, * a) these days, try getting a Thinking Assistant for the day. * b) back in December, when I first was noticing I was struggling to focus, I decided to write the Thinking Assistants post and spin up a Thinking Assistant community. The general f

On a more meta-level what if you just applied the same trick but to deciding to not make the bad decision?  It's a double negative on purpose because perhaps you would gain information on why you are not comfortable not eating the donut or snoozing the alarm, but only if you are go through the machinations of the double negative in your head.  This is a trick I've been using more and more.  

Something like: Tasty donut feeling -> awareness of want -> awareness of diet goals that contradict this want -> awareness that you have a choic... (read more)

My understanding of this is that you are turning off the fear/ick response to doing the thing in order to rationally judge the situation, but the method you’ve devised to turn the fear/ick is to submit to it momentarily.

It would seem good to just be able to do that without having to submit every time. I can imagine there are a myriad of ways to do this. Experience seems to allow you to do this more automatically given enough of a causal awareness or just habit.

2Screwtape
If someone can turn off the thing in their head that tries to write the bottom line before filling out the rest of the page, that seems strictly better than this trick. I can't, not reliably. Sometimes I fight that fight, sometimes the information is worth more than the better decision I think I can wrest. For me, it usually doesn't feel like a fear or an ick. I usually notice yums, if that makes sense. Like, "don't step into traffic" or "don't jump off the cliff" make me afraid, but the bottom line is usually pretty sensible as is the writing above it. It's "don't eat the donut" and "don't snooze the alarm" that tend to have sneaky pre-written bottom lines I can beat with this trick.

This entire process seems eerily similar to a Hegelian dialectic, especially the last step of "Seek Fusion, Not Compromise".  In the Hegelian sense, we start with a Thesis, Antithesis, and then move to an Overcoming which is an argument that can contain the contradiction between the Thesis and Antithesis, without losing the contradiction in a typical Synthesis (for a Platonic Dialectic).

A simple example is on the topic the status of our life, introduced to me by a former professor.
Thesis:  We are living beings.
Anti-thesis:  We are all dying ... (read more)