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"UFO" has a colloquial sense that does, in fact, mean aliens (or trans-dimensional beings or what have you). I would posit that this is the sense of the word Eliezer used in the quoted text.

I read a lot of C&H growing up, and looking back at it, I'm surprised at how many interesting ideas it contains. I wonder how much of my present self was shaped by having these ideas implanted at age 8 or 9...

Steven Strogatz did a series of blog posts at NY Times going through a variety of math concepts from elementary school to higher levels. (They are presented in descending date order, so you may want to start at the end of page 2 and work your way backwards.) Much of the information will be old hat to LWers, but it is often presented in novel ways (to me, at least).

Specifically related to this post, the visual proof of the Pythagorean theorem appears in the post Square Dancing.

The fact is that there are many battles worth fighting, and strong skeptics are fighting one (or perhaps a few) of them. (As I was disgusted to see recently, human sacrifice apparently still happens.) However, I also think it's ok to say that battle is not the one that interests you. You don't have the capacity to be a champion for all possible good causes, so it's good that there is diversity of interest among people trying to improve the human condition.

3zntneo
I totally agree if its not your cup of tea fine. What pisses me off is the line about " if you don't believe it exists it seems like a good reason to not be concerned with it"

Thanks for the clarification, I see what you mean. The distinction between repetitive, droning thoughts and actively reasoning about the problem makes sense.

I think eugman is more referring to negative thoughts that cycle through a depressed person's head on a regular basis. They're messages that remind you that you're a failure, you let people down, you're not going anywhere, and they play through your brain almost all your waking hours.

The negative thoughts you described are the ones that healthy people encounter in real, negative situations that must be dealt with. In that case, rumination is appropriate and finding rational solutions is desirable. But when your brain is essentially buggy and constantly ... (read more)

4Bobertron
The amount of worry and anxiety some people have in regard to their problems (say, health or financial problems) might not be healthy at all, and might lead to depressive moods. And yet, avoiding those problems by avoiding to think about them would be really bad. Rumination and worrying are a habitual, unmindful and irrational type of thinking. They are just replaying cached thoughts, and that shouldn't even be dignified by being called "thinking". It's not good for depressed people, for anxious people or for anyone else. I absolutely agree that one shouldn't dwell on such thoughts. I'm just saying that instead of automatically stopping your thoughts, or doing anything automatically, one should have at least one good look at those thoughts and think. And I mean think mindfully, rationally and critically. I'm not saying one should necessarily think about the "problem", but rather about the thoughts themselves. Are they rational? How would I think about that if I weren't depressed? And no, don't feel depressed about being depressed or worry that you will never stop worrying ;-). Once that's done, you can let that thought drop, but not before.

Are there any good examples of the long strategy working? Ron Paul seemed like a potential case of exactly that, and in 2008 he was rallying support on the internet and raking in serious political campaign contributions. He got a small chunk of the popular vote and raised the profile of libertarianism a little. However, a few years later the media have still apparently decided that he is unelectable and give him far less coverage than the "mainstream" candidates. (I'm not a Ron Paul fan myself, but he should appeal to the fiscal conservative base and he seems to be a man of integrity.)

-2hairyfigment
What does "man of integrity" mean? I'm willing to tentatively accept that Ron Paul didn't write material like this: I'll even grant for the sake of argument that he has some more-or-less good reason for not revealing the name of the staffer(s) who published this in his name. But if I were John Stewart, hearing Paul say it's enough for him to have a smaller base who "gets the message", I'd have to ask about it and give him a chance to say that he'd never hire anyone like that for his hypothetical administration. Assuming that he does want to lose the white supremacist vote.
1TheOtherDave
Is there a good template for what the "long strategy" working would look like? There have certainly been candidates elected in the U.S. who at some earlier time would have been considered completely unelectable, but of course in each case it's possible to point to a variety of other causes for why they became electable besides the decision of voters to vote for them. Which is also what I would expect to see if the long strategy worked, since there are always lots of things going on.
machrider-20

i read it, and I disagree. I think it's irrational to expect everyone to do what he suggests, and it only works if everyone does it.

Edit: Using the word "strategic" is probably misleading. Eliezer proposes a particular strategy - vote for someone you actually like, regardless of popularity or perceived likelihood of winning. It's still a strategy, and voting is still a game. So the argument isn't really about whether or not to vote "strategically", it's about which strategy one should use.

In my original comment I argue for the meta-s... (read more)

0wedrifid
More to the point he rejects using "strategic voting" that is based off strategies for survival when votes are all public and retaliation is expected - where the consequences of the guy you didn't vote for getting in are far more serious than whether it is the guy you prefer. This is rejected in favor of pulling the rope sideways.
0[anonymous]
If you have, in fact, read it then I no longer have an explanation as to why you are engaging with the straw man.
1prase
He is arguing for a pragmatic solution. He thinks that voting for whom you like has greater chance to help you achieve your political goals than voting for the less disliked major candidate. You can argue that it doesn't work that way (which you didn't), but not that EY didn't use pragmatic reasoning. If his strategy coincides with the idealist strategy, that's, well, only a coincidence. If you are really convinced that Rick Perry is such a danger that his election should be prevented "at all costs", vote for the strongest of the other candidates. But in most situations, you are not justified in believing such a thing. Your vote has other consequences than only decreasing probability of RP's victory. It also sends a signal to both candidates and influences their behaviour and influences other voters. In most normal conditions the secondary effects have greater value than the primary choice of the election winner because the major candidates are unlikely to implement drastically different policies. (I don't necessarily agree with that, but it is what the original post says.) Supposing there exists (even as a concept) a perfect world is one of the frequent errors of political thinking. This is, in my opinion, a particular example of the problems of perfect-world thinking. You are trying to reform the system to approach some ideal state, where elections reflect what people want. But is this even a coherent ideal? For one thing, different people want different things (and a compromise is usually something nobody is content with). Even one person can have conflicting preferences and be unaware of what they are. I can assure you that voters in proportional voting systems are approximately as dissatisfied with the election results as voters in the plurality systems. I am not saying that all voting systems are equal, but the practical difference is not that big and there is almost certainly no ideal system. But more importantly, to reform the voting system you first hav
5wedrifid
My prediction: You did not read the post. Your reply only makes sense if I assume it is based off the one paragraph quoted - and then only if I pretend the quotes around "strategic" are not present.
machrider110

What percentage of educated Westerners would you guess are to the right (as operationalized below) of you on economic questions?

Sorry, I find this survey terrible. I don't know how to answer most of the questions. Questions like the above require me to have more knowledge than I personally have (about the internal state of billions of educated Westerners). You are supposed to do this work for us by asking 5 to 10 representative questions with which we can strongly agree/strongly disagree, etc, and then use that information to categorize responders.

Th... (read more)

2Throway2
I don't even know how to parse 'Westerners'. I bet my intuitions would feel very different if I happened to be back in Shanghai right now.

This is the subtext implied in the saying, "A Lannister always pays his debts," from A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Margin. It is frequently applied in the context of compensating someone for helping one of the Lannisters, but it also functions as a warning against misdeeds.

machrider160

This is a good summary, but a post like this is greatly strengthened by links to external resources to justify or expand upon the claims it makes. If I didn't know anything about the topic, some of the text would be unclear to me, and I would want the ability to click around and learn more. For example:

  • What is the sunk cost fallacy? (Link to wikipedia/LWwiki)
  • There is some recent evidence about rationality as a treatment for depression

Also, I think one of the first reactions a typical person will have is, "Rationality? Of course I'm rational.&q... (read more)

The link to the post is incorrect; it points to the previous rerun, should point here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/li/unbounded_scales_huge_jury_awards_futurism/

Edit: It has been fixed. Thanks. :)

Doesn't that depend on heart attacks being a function of age rather than a function of time? Anti-aging doesn't necessarily mean anti-arterial-plaque-buildup. I do agree that entire classes of problems might go away though, which would be amazing.

3[anonymous]
Arteriosclerosis is a condition that is considered a part of aging/age related disease. Since it arise probably partly due to macrophages inability to break down extracellular aggregates (oxidised cholesterol) and lipids reacting with calcium that build up over time, as well as loss of elasticity of the arterial wall.

I don't believe so, but maybe someone smarter than me can explain this. The magic 4% of a million = 40k value indeed should factor in, but it shouldn't dominate the expected value to the degree that you're making it.

Let's try a different angle:

Then, with 4% interest on my $160k yearly, it would take me about 5.5 years to accumulate that million dollars, or 11000 hours.

So over 5.5 years, you theoretically earned $1,220,000. A million in savings plus $40k living expenses for 5.5 years. Effective hourly wage is $110.90.

At an effective hourly wage of $110 your expected lottery ticket return is 1.0 hours, not 1.1

1RolfAndreassen
Ah, but now you are neglecting the additional value of having the million dollars now, instead of 5.5 years from now. At 4% interest this neatly cancels out the additional $220k.

I believe you left out the opportunity cost of spending the $100 on a ticket instead of letting it accrue 4% interest. That is, you compared $100 in today's dollars to $100 in 2017 dollars, but it should've been $124 in 2017 dollars.

1RolfAndreassen
I am reasonably convinced that I did not do so; when I said "roughly 5.5 years to accumulate a million", I was taking compound interest into account.

Thanks so much for the detailed response.

Wow, that OkCupid result is surprising. It has not been my experience. What are you doing that causes people to reach out to you in a friendly (rather than romantic) way on there? (Or are you the one reaching out?)

And I agree with regard to the intellectual standard, especially if you consider your intelligence a defining characteristic. Reading the discussion here (and not having much to contribute) has... recontextualized my own self-image.

[anonymous]110

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Still it seems reasonable to point out the opportunity cost of spending a couple trillion dollars on a misguided war effort. It is true that the economy would be in better shape without those expenditures, and it's also probably true that US federal budget constraints would be different as a result. (However it may still have been spent elsewhere instead of scientific research.)

100 years is nothing in the evolution of a civilization though. The time between agricultural revolution and the discovery of evolution is not a typical period in the history of humanity.

Perhaps a better word would have been 'elegant'.

Suicide hotline operators will sometimes call the police on you...

I haven't been able to get to any of the east bay meetups yet, so I'm excited to see this in SF. I'll do my best to be available for it. With all the talk about the NYC group, I keep thinking "What could SF do?"

Pursuing this stupidity to its logical conclusion, I just did an elimination match with 16 rounds. Start with all combinations and cull the weakest member every round. Here's the result: http://pastie.org/1217255

Note the culling is sometimes arbitrary if there's a tie for last place. By pass 14, we have a 3-way tie between blue/blue, blue/green, and green/yellow. Those may very well be the best three combinations, or close to it.

Final version of program here: http://pastie.org/1217284

(Removed randomness and just factored in the probability of evasion i... (read more)

Agreed, re: the limitations of my method. As you suggested, I ran another pass using only the top 7 candidates (wins >= 19 in my previous comment). Here are the results:

3: blue/red
5: blue/green
7: blue/blue
7: green/green
7: green/red
9: green/blue
11: green/yellow

Choosing the top 10 (wins >= 17 from before):

7: blue/red
7: red/green
9: green/green
9: green/red
11: blue/blue
11: blue/green
11: blue/yellow
11: green/blue
11: yellow/yellow
13: green/yellow

Yellow/yellow pops up as a surprise member of the 5-way tie for second place. The green swo... (read more)

8machrider
Pursuing this stupidity to its logical conclusion, I just did an elimination match with 16 rounds. Start with all combinations and cull the weakest member every round. Here's the result: http://pastie.org/1217255 Note the culling is sometimes arbitrary if there's a tie for last place. By pass 14, we have a 3-way tie between blue/blue, blue/green, and green/yellow. Those may very well be the best three combinations, or close to it. Final version of program here: http://pastie.org/1217284 (Removed randomness and just factored in the probability of evasion into damage directly. This lets me use smaller numbers and runs much faster. Verified that the results didn't change as a result of this.)
3[anonymous]
Interesting. Three main observations: 1] blue/green has been a popular good choice, but in this bracket, not so much. I wonder how much sway this should have on all of our guesses. 2] the blue/blue combination that I figured works well tied for third, ironically with green/green and even more ironically, below green/blue. 3] green/yellow comes out on top, probably because no one else in this simulation is running yellow armor. I wonder if this changes when we add in blue/yellow, likely in place of blue/red. Biggest question: Say we could make a simulation where we start with say, 10 characters, of each of these combinations, set them to wander about, and then when they beat someone, the person beaten adopts the winner's combination. I wonder if that would help our understanding of this game, or if it wouldn't work due to a quick, short-term dominance by one combination.

I'm thinking iterations just confuses things. With a high enough HP value we should be able to eliminate "luck". So here's a pass with 1 iteration and 20 million initial HP:

2: red/blue
8: red/red
13: yellow/blue
13: yellow/red
15: red/yellow
15: yellow/green
17: blue/yellow
17: red/green
17: yellow/yellow
19: blue/red
19: green/blue
19: green/green
19: green/red
19: green/yellow
21: blue/blue
23: blue/green

Deleted earlier comment due to a bug in the code.

Here's the result of a naive brute force program that assumes a random distribution of opponents (i.e. any combo is equally likely), sorted by number of wins:

185: red/blue
269: red/red
397: yellow/blue
407: yellow/red
438: red/yellow
464: red/green
471: yellow/green
483: yellow/yellow
512: blue/yellow
528: green/green
539: green/red
561: green/blue
567: green/yellow
578: blue/red
635: blue/green
646: blue/blue

The program is here: http://pastie.org/1217024 (pipe through sort -n)

It performs 30 iterations of ... (read more)

7[anonymous]
This, and your much clearer second test, are useful, but only insofar that the weapons are chosen equally. Though, as some have found out, they clearly won't be. This would be more useful if you tested with the combinations that seem best [e.g. blue/blue, blue/green, green/green] and dropped the ones that no one who can run even some of the math would play [e.g. red/any]. Could you try that and see if it changes any of the results drastically?
4machrider
I'm thinking iterations just confuses things. With a high enough HP value we should be able to eliminate "luck". So here's a pass with 1 iteration and 20 million initial HP: 2: red/blue 8: red/red 13: yellow/blue 13: yellow/red 15: red/yellow 15: yellow/green 17: blue/yellow 17: red/green 17: yellow/yellow 19: blue/red 19: green/blue 19: green/green 19: green/red 19: green/yellow 21: blue/blue 23: blue/green
0[anonymous]
Just did another trial with initial HP set to 1 million (still 30 iterations). Took a while. Results: 63: red/blue 247: red/red 391: yellow/blue 397: yellow/red 450: red/yellow 463: yellow/green 507: yellow/yellow 510: blue/yellow 518: red/green 566: green/red 567: blue/red 568: green/yellow 569: green/blue 570: green/green 633: blue/blue 661: blue/green I think the higher HP value does a great job of reducing the effect of randomness. You can see red/blue has dropped significantly while blue/green has emerged as probably the best combination against a random opponent. The biggest surprise to me in all of this is how well the blue sword does; it seems so "average".