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I guess I misinterpreted your argument on that point. I'm somewhat inclined to the belief I attributed to you, so I'll try to defend it...

We've been circling the same set of ethical ideas for quite a while now, if not for the whole of our species history. So either we're stuck in a local maxima of ethical reasoning, or there's a disconnect between our capacity to reason about ethics (which we've found possibly the absolute maximum of) and our capacity to implement it (having reached varying local maxima across the globe). I'm inclined to believe the latter

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3lsusr
The enlightenment started around 300 years ago. It sounds like 300 years is a long period of historical time to you. To me, it is a short period of historical time. This itself could be the crux of our disagreement. I do not mean that progress is impossible either. My argument is far more precise than that. I just saying that it is impossible to distinguish progress from a random walk using certain common meta-epistemological methods.

I really enjoyed this, though I'm not sure I agree with your opening premise. It seems like an individual can subjectively improve their ethics over time, and through empiricism, so can a society. 

That said, I suspect an unspoken aspect to your argument is that we have already randomly walked around, if not precisely on, the optimal human ethic. In this way, there can be no ethical progress. It's just a matter of getting a critical mass of humanity to zero in on that location. 

2lsusr
I am happy to hear you enjoyed this article. I agree that an individual can subjectively improve zir ethics over time. It follows that so can a society. But just because a society can improve does not mean it has improved. Really? Why do you think so? I claim ethics is absolute. No mass of humanity shouting 2+2=5 will ever make it so.
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I replaced everything except the ceiling lights with no-blue lights and use F.lux on my devices. Now I get sleepy when I'm supposed to and never stay up late.