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While there may be problems with what I have suggested, I do not think the scenario you describe is a relevant consideration for the following reasons...

As you describe it the ai is still required to make a cheese cake, it just makes a poor one.

It should not take more than an hour to make a cheese cake, and the ai is optimizing for time. Also the person may eat some cheese cake after it is made, so the ai must produce the virus, infect the person, and have the virus alter the person's mind within 1 hour while making a poor cheese cake.

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The minor nature of its goals is the whole point. It is not meant to do what we want because it empathizes with our values and is friendly, but because the thing we actually want it to do really is the best way to accomplish the goals we gave it. Also I would not consider making a cheese cake to be a trivial goal for an AI, there is certainly more to it then the difficult task of distinguishing a spoon from a fork, so this is surely more than just an "intelligent rock".

Make 1 reasonably good cheese cake as judged by a person within a short soft deadline while minimizing the cost to resources made available to it and with out violating property laws as judged by the legal system of the local government within some longer deadline.

To be clear the following do not contribute any additional utility:

  • Making additional cheese cakes
  • Making a cheese cake that is better than reasonably good
  • Making any improvements to the value of the resources available other than making a cheese cake
  • Anything that happens after the longer dead
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2Manfred
This seems to fall under the "intelligent rock" category - it's not friendly, only harmless because of the minor nature of its goals.
1[anonymous]
I genetically engineer a virus that will alter the person's mind state so that he will find my cheese cake satisfactorily. That all of humanity will die by the virus after the deadline is non of my concerns.

Theorems are not generally presented in math journals in the way they were discovered, so I am not sure machine learning from journal articles would greatly help in discovery. The issue is really that going from question to answer is a different process from verifying an answer is correct, or guiding a reader through such a verification which is what a proof is.

A perhaps less lofty, but still incredibly useful, goal would be automating a process for simplifying proofs

Or alternatively convincing mathematicians to narrate their own mental process of discovery.

The Euler formula for polyhedra is possibly the most blatant such example.

Huh? There are no counterexamples to the Euler characteristic of a polyhedra being 2, and the theorem has generalized beautifully. If anything conditions have been loosened as new versions of the theorem have been used in more places.

JoshuaZ120

Huh? There are no counterexamples to the Euler characteristic of a polyhedra being 2, and the theorem has generalized beautifully. If anything conditions have been loosened as new versions of the theorem have been used in more places.

Well, what do you mean by polyhedron? Consider for example a cubic nut. Does this fit your intuition of a polyhedron? Well, since it has genus that is not equal to 1, it doesn't have Euler characteristic 2. And the original proof that V+F-E=2 didn't handle this sort of case. (That's one reason why people often add convex as... (read more)