What is the appropriate emotional response? It sounds like you're saying the appropriate one is denial, which, fair enough, is what some may choose.
Really appreciate this response, I think you nailed it! A general superintelligence is unseeable so you have to use one of those analogies.
Whoops! I definitely posted this second one to Alignment Forum but I guess it got cross posted back to LW.
Well I appreciate your comment but I think something's missing as far as conveying the emotions of the situation. I can imagine a death, a car crash for example, or imagine death on an even bigger scale like a nuclear weapon. I can imagine a disaster movie before it resolves on a happy ending. But I think those conceptions don't convey much, because I acknowledge that superintelligence can be destructive and can even envision what the end state of destruction would look like. Just envisioning that end state without explaining superintelligence that caused us to get to that end state doesn't do much for me though.
Ah yes, Rational Animations did a great video of that story. That did make superintelligence more graspable, but you know I had watched it and forgotten about it. I think it showed how our human civilization is vulnerable to other intelligences (aliens), but didn't still made the superintelligence concept one that that easy to grok.
When we got drill down into the crux of disagreement you walk away because it's not a good use of time/energy. Of course you're welcome to do that, but unfortunate.
I think you should uplevel the discourse by changing the title of the post and maybe deleting it. You're just allowing vibes-based bullying, which is pretty toxic. Here's why:
She elevated Kat's name to the headline; used the entire post to insult her writing; drew on ageist tropes and perjoratives like "cringe" to make her case; explicitly chose to share the message not with the writing's intended audience but rather an in-group who shares a distaste for lower-brow content; did so in an effort to rile up pressure to change the behavior on the other s...
Let me get this straight.
After she elevates Kat's name to the headline; uses the entire post to insult her writing; draws on ageist tropes and perjoratives like "cringe" to make her case; explicitly chooses to share the message not with the writing's intended audience but rather a specific in-group who shares a distaste for Reddit's lower-brow content; doing so in an effort to rile up pressure to change her behavior on the other site; an all the more potent strike considering the context that Kat is already a well-known figure who presumably cares ab...
I'm confident in saying that the information here is not sufficient to conclude she was making a personal attack.
A wild claim to make about a post that explictly centers around shaming Kat for her posting style predominantly because it's "cringe", by putting her name in the headline (what I meant by name-calling) and orienting the entire argument around her. If it wasn't meant to tarnish her reputation, why not instead make the post about just her issues with the disagreeable content?
...If she said that was her intent, I'd change my mind. Or if sh
This wasn't criticism of just the project (e.g. her content), it was criticism of the person because of the content they make, because let’s be real a personal attack is much more damaging. And yes, it was meant to tarnish her reputation because, well, did you not read the headline of the post?
Sure, consumers may form their opinion of a person, their reputation, based on a composite knowledge of their professional or personal behavior, so the post’s caveat factors in one small way to the equation. But what drove reputation change here much more signi...
What does it mean to tarnish the reputation of someone as a "public figure" and not as a person?
He's a dick politician (but a great husband)?
Consumers are only aware of whatever is publicly known to them, so their reputation is entirely depenedent of what one thinks about the "public figure."
Herego, his actions expressly are meant to tarnish her reputation.
Let's just observe that your "fun" is policing someone's popular memes, on an entirely different social media site that's not LessWrong, because you find them cringe.
And what was all the more "fun" for you was to psychoanalyze and essentially pressure her to cut back with cancel culture tactics.
I say that because if you wanted to question the merits of the content and it being net-positive, wouldn't you just post the memes themselves?
Trying to police a seperate site on LessWrong, and doing so by going after the poster for "fun" on the basis of diverg...
Kat Woods often doesn’t give proper credit when spreading memes.
Truly wild to expect "memes" to be properly credited.
The rest of the Internet does not work like LessWrong, which is intentionally so, and expecting otherwise is unrealistic.
Really interesting project, Mordechai! Have you seen some of Geoffrey Hinton's latest remarks? He's said some things along these lines actually. Feel free to message me and I can point you to it.