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Owen10

One problem with this that I am already noticing is that I will feel less let down with myself if I admit that I have assigned a probability of (which I have) .25 to actually meeting my goal. I hope this will not be a significant detracting factor.

In my experience, this is a very legitimate concern. What you might want to do instead is set sub-goals: reach 200 posts by Saturday, 230 by the Saturday after that, etc. That way, you're giving yourself the chance to see now whether 4 posts per day is too much to expect yourself to handle, while at the same... (read more)

0RobertLumley
Well the dates are really the best reminder of progress. I can see I'm in a new month, or a new year, etc. Beside that, there's the list of posts I linked to.
Owen50

I feel like question 1 could be tweaked so that it's harder to put in wrong answers (in this case, not weakly increasing probability estimates). Maybe you could ask for the probabilities that humanity will go extinct in certain ranges of time (e.g. "How likely do you think it is that humanity survives to the year 2100 but goes extinct by 2200?"). Or, to circumvent the condition that the probabilities add to less than 100%, you could condition: "Assuming that humanity survives to the year 2100, how likely do you think it is that humanity th... (read more)

0vallinder
I like your suggestion with conditional probabilities. Reversing 6 and 7 is also good.
Owen10

When you use the actual numbers of people, you get those numbers by using the base rate: 10,000 women total, of which 100 have cancer (that's the base rate in action), of which 80 test positive, etc. So if you use the numbers 80 (= 0.8 0.01 10000) and 950 = (0.096 0.99 10000), you're not ignoring the base rate. You would be ignoring the base rate if you used the numbers 8000 and 960 (80% and 9.6% of the population of 10,000, respectively), but those numbers don't refer to any relevant groups of people.

Owen60

You're forgetting the "base rate" in your calculation: the actual rate of cancer in the population. What you should really be taking the ratio of is (the fraction of all women that have cancer and test positive) / (the fraction of all women that test positive, whether or not they have cancer). In percentages, that's

(80% of the 1% of women who have cancer, who correctly test positive) = 0.8 * 0.01.

divided by

(80% of the 1% of women who have cancer, who correctly test positive) together with (9.6% of the 99% of women who don't have cancer, who t... (read more)

0TheatreAddict
Thanks. I'm pretty sure I understand now. Although I'm not sure why I get the correct answer when I'm working with the actual numbers and not percentages when I do the math wrong. But when I do the math like you wrote, I get the right answer for the precentages. So I get that part. But aren't I ignoring the base rate in the actual numbers one? Or no?
Owen10

I meant the first one: faster than light in both directions.

You can think of it this way: if any reference frame perceived travel from B to A slower than light, then so would every reference frame. The only way for two observers to disagree about whether the object is at A or B first, is for both to observe the motion as being faster than light.

Owen30

Shinoteki is right - moving slower than light is timelike, while moving faster than light is spacelike. No relativistic change of reference frame will interchange those.

0PhilGoetz
What do you mean by "spacelike"? IIRC, movement in spacetime is the same no matter which axis you designate as being time.
Owen10

You are correct: moving from A to B faster than the speed of light in one reference frame is equivalent to moving from B to A faster than the speed of light in another reference frame, according to special relativity.

0PhilGoetz
Second 'faster' should be 'slower', I think.
Owen30

I think the error lies in this sentence:

"Presumably your chances of success this time are not affected by the next one being a failure."

I assume you think this is true because there's no causal relationship where the next shuttle launch can affect this one, but their successes can still be correlated, which your probability estimate isn't taking into account.

If you want to update meaningfully, you need to have an alternative hypothesis in mind. (Remember, evidence can only favor one hypothesis over another (if anything); evidence is never "... (read more)

Owen120

Here's a practical suggestion: bake crackers. Buying gluten-free crackers can get annoyingly expensive, but it's not hard to bake your own, and they come with the following benefits:

  1. They're easy to bake in large amounts if you stock up on gluten-free flours like almond meal or rice flour (which will also save money in the long run)
  2. They won't go bad if you don't eat them within a day or two, so you don't have to worry about packing the right amount every day.
  3. Similarly, they won't go bad in the mail, so your parents might be able to do the baking for yo
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Owen10

Upvoted; thanks for providing the name "Dunning-Kruger" and the Oresme example!

Owen20

You're right; maybe I'm overestimating my ability to explain things so that laypeople will understand. But there are some concessions you can make to get the idea across without the full background of complex linear algebra - often I use polarizers as an example, because most people have some experience with them (from sunglasses or 3D movies), and from there it's only a hop, skip, and a jump to entangled photons.

I do try to explain so that people feel like the explanation is totally natural, but then I often run into the problem of people trying to reason about quantum mechanics "in English", so to speak, instead of going to the underlying math to learn more. Any suggestions?

3JoshuaZ
It seems to me that it is easier to get people to realize just that they can't use their regular language to understand what is going on than to actually explain it. People seem to have issues with understanding this primarily because of Dunning-Kruger and because of the large number of popularizations of difficult science that just uses vague analogies. I'd ask "ok. This is going to take some math. Did you ever take linear algebra?" If yes, then I just explain things. When they answer no (vast majority of the time)I then say "ok do you remember how matrix multiplication works?" They will generally not or have only a vague memory. At that point I then tell them that I could spending a few hours or so developing the necessary tools but that they really don't have the background without a lot of work. This generally results in annoyance and blustering on their part. At this point one tells them the story of Oresme and how he came up with the idea of gravity in the 1300s but since he didn't have a mathematical framework it was absolutely useless. This gets the point across sometimes. Edit: Your idea of using polarization as an example is an interesting one and I may try that in the future.
Owen10

I can intentionally do lots of things, some of which cause entanglement and "collapse", and some of which don't. I'd say to them that it still seems like the conscious intent isn't what's important.

If you'd like to substitute a better picture for the layperson, I'd go with "disturbing the system causes collapse". (Where "disturb" is really just a nontechnical way of saying "entangle with the environment.") Then it's clear that conscious observation (which involves disturbing the system somehow to get your measurem... (read more)

2JoshuaZ
I'm a math grad student and I consider the math of entanglement and the like to be not easy. There are two types of consciousness-causes-collapse proponents. The first type who doesn't know much physics will find entanglement to be pretty difficult (they need to already understand complex numbers and basic linear algebra to get the structure of what is going on). Even a genuinely curious individual will likely have trouble following that unless they are a mathematically inclined individual. The second, much smaller group of people, are people who already understand entanglement but still buy into consciousness-causes collapse.They seem to have developed very complicated and sometimes subtle notions of what it means for things to be conscious or to have intent (almost akin to theologians). So in either case this avenue of attack seems unlikely to be successful. If one is more concerned with convincing bystanders (as is often more relevant on the internet. People might not change their minds often. But people reading might), then this could actually do a good job when encountering the first category by making it clear that one knows a lot more about the subject than they do. This seems to empirically work in real life also as one can see in various discussions. See for example the cases Deepak Chopra has try to invoke a connection between QM and consciousness and he gets shot down pretty bluntly when there's anyone with a bit of math or physics background.
Owen40

Perhaps that extremely simple systems, that no one would consider conscious, can also "cause collapse"? It doesn't take much: just entangle the superposed state with another particle - then when you measure, canceling can't occur and you perceive a randomly collapsed wavefunction. The important thing is the entangling, not the fact that you're conscious: measuring a superposed state (i.e. entangling your mind with it) will do the trick, but it's entirely unnecessary.

I used to believe the consciousness-causes-collapse idea, and it was quite a relief when I realized it doesn't work like that.

1JoshuaZ
Some of the consciousness causes collapse people would claim that you intended to cause that entanglement. (If you are thinking this sounds like an attempt to make their claims not falsifiable, I'd be inclined to agree.)
Owen10

Upvoted because I like to see this kind of brainstorming, although I feel like the "strongly care about" criterion is a bit ad hoc and maybe unnecessary. To me it sounds more correct to say that Mr. IHJ doesn't care about his future selves, not that he doesn't have any.

0Stuart_Armstrong
Currently, I'd agree with you. But when copying, especially imperfect copying, becomes available, then "strongly care about" may become a better guide to what a future self is.
Owen90

Upvoted for noticing your confusion. At least two possible reasons come to mind:

Explanation 1: Luke has made many solid contributions in the past, and such contributors' comments tend to receive more upvotes than others' do, just by a kind of halo effect: "Luke's other posts are good, so he's a good rationalist, so this comment of his must be good too." I don't know how true this is: I've heard the idea suggested by other people here, but I've also seen several examples of top contributors receiving well-deserved downvotes in some cases.

Explana... (read more)

Owen50

I'm about 15% through the lessons on Gregg shorthand here: http://gregg.angelfishy.net/ (This is my first comment, so I'm not sure how to do links. If someone would to point me to instructions, I'd be grateful.)

Mostly this comes under the "productive entertainment" heading, like knitting, but there's the possibility that knowing shorthand will come in useful in the future, e.g. for taking more complete lecture notes or fitting more words on a postcard.

My goals for this project are to (1) work through all the units on the website, (2) improve my speed to at least my current longhand speed, and (3) write shorthand as fast as people talk.

3Vladimir_Nesov
See this wiki page. It looks like a bug ate the help button that used to be located near the comment forms.