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Pfft00

So in the case of this particular paper, some other researchers did ask for the raw data, and they got it and carried out exactly the analysis I was interested in knowing about. So I guess it's a happy ending, except I didn't get to write a tumblr post back when there was a lot of buzz in the media about it. :)

Pfft00

This is amazingly great (I laughed out loud at the "Biceps-controlled socialism" graph), but I feel it only works because the original study authors made the rookie mistake of publishing their data set. The only time I have wanted to try something similar (for the brain mosaic paper), I hoped it would be possible to extract the data from the diagram, but no, the jpg in the pdf is sufficiently low-resolution that it doesn't work.

0btrettel
I have been compiling a lot of data for part of my PhD and this is a lot more common than I am comfortable with. Personally, as a reviewer I've decided to outright reject papers that don't allow one to extract the data. My preference would be requiring publishing the data straight up, but I can see an editor viewing this as unreasonable, or an author not knowing how to publish data. With this being said, it's worth asking authors for raw data. My prior on receiving raw data from an author is low, particularly if the study is older. You have nothing to lose, however, and you will sometimes gain respect for helpful researchers. One professor I emailed for about 25 year old data searched his office thoroughly, found the data I wanted on some old floppy disks, got a floppy drive working, and emailed me the files. That was a not insignificant amount of their time, and I'm very appreciative for it. Also, frequently theses and dissertations have tabulated data. Beware of typos in the tables. Always perform some sort of sanity checks on the data. Checking the tables against the figures is one approach.
Pfft20

Ok, so we should identify criminals with "thoughts of committing deadly violence, regardless of action", and then "many of these offenders should probably never be released from confinement". A literal thought crime.

Pfft00

Yes, there will always be some off-by-one errors, so the best we can hope for is to pick the convention that creates less of them. That said, the fact that most programming languages choose the zero-based convention seems to suggest that that's the best one.

There's also the revealed word of our prophet Dijkstra: EWD83 - Why numbering should start at zero.

2Lumifer
The fact that humans count "one, two, three..." and not "zero, one, two..." does suggest that there is a best one and it's not zero-based.
Pfft50

Yeah.

I think the orthodox MIRI position is not that logical proofs are necessary, or even the most efficient way, to make a super-intelligence. It's that humans need formal proofs to be sure that the AI will be well-behaved. A random kludgy program might be much smarter than your carefully proven one, but that's cold comfort if it then proceeds to kill you.

Pfft00

I mean, you can literally build an EmDrive yourself, but you definitely can't measure the tiny thrust yourself. You still need to trust the experts there, no?

Pfft00

Apart from the question about whether it produces any thrust, there is also the question of whether it will lead to any interesting scientific discoveries. For example, if it turns out that there was a bit of contaminating material that evaporated, the thrust is real but the space-faring implications are not...

Pfft60

Eh, elections seem hard to update on though. Before the election, I thought Clinton was 70% likely to win or so, because that's what Nate Silver said. Then Trump won. Was I wrong? Maybe, but it's not statistically significant at even p = 0.05.

So just looking at U.S. presidential elections, you'll never have enough data to see if you're calibrated or not. I guess you can seriously geek out on politics, and follow and make predictions for lots of local and foreign elections also. At that point, it's a serious hobby though, I'm much more of a casual.

2MrMind
No intentions on leaning heavily on US politics, since I've already hairy Italian politics that is more relevant to me... I'll just change a couple of parameters in my model of US, as per answer to Gunnar.
0Lumifer
Use science! X-D 1. Perform an experiment 2. Observe the results 3. Adjust the particulars of the experiment to shift the results in the desired direction 4. Goto 1
0MrMind
Insert peg A into slot B. Pleasure should ensue for both parties. Follow emergent heuristics. If pleasure is not evoked or in case of mismatching heuristics, try to vary peg and/or slot and/or frequency/speed/depth of insertion. In case of further problems please call your local support.
Pfft60

It sounds pretty spectactular!

I found one paper about comets crashing into the sun, but unfortunately they don't consider as big comets as you do--the largest one is a "Hale-Bopp sized" one, which they take to be 10^15 kg (which already seems a little low, Wikipedia suggests 10^16 kg.)

I guess the biggest uncertainty is how common so big comets are (so, how often should we expect to see one crash into the sun). In particular, I think the known sun-grazing comets are much smaller than the big comet you consider.

Also, I wonder a bit about your 1 se... (read more)

2turchin
I thought more after I posted and concluded that: Most likely the energy will be released below sun’s photosphere, as its density is very low like 1 to 6000 of air. This would prevent immediate flash visibility. The resulting hot gas will flow up eventually but it will cooler and energy less concentrated. But even if it takes several minutes, it still could produce burns on Earth. Also something like large Solar flash could happen because of integration of the hot gas from the comet with Sun's magnetic field, and it hypothetically will result in superflare with strong Solar wind and magnetic effect on Earth. The temperature during impact will be around 5 mln K on the edge of the comet, as I calculated, which is not enough for any meaningful nuclear reactions. But it doesn't include any additional heating connected with rising pressure because - and pressure would rise as the comet will compress as it decelerate in the solar medium. If such reaction will happen it could add more energy to explosion and also produce some radioactive isotopes, which could later become part of Solar find and fallout on Earth. I saw an article long time before about possibility of nuclear reaction during impacts, and I will find it.
Pfft00

See wikipedia. The point is that T does not just take the input n to the program to be run, it takes an argument x which encodes the entire list of steps the program e would execute on that input. In particular, the length of the list x is the number of steps. That's why T can be primitive recursive.

0MrMind
From the page you link: Also from the same page:
Pfft00

The claim as stated is false. The standard notion of a UTM takes a representation of a program, and interprets it. That's not primitive recursive, because the interpreter has an unbounded loop in it. The thing that is is primitive recursive is a function that takes a program and a number of steps to run it for (this corresponds to the U and T in the normal form theorem), but that's not quite the thing that's usually meant by a universal machine.

I think the fact that you just need one loop is interesting, but it doesn't go as far as you claim; if an angel gives you a program, you still don't know how many steps to run it for, so you still need that one unbounded loop.

0MrMind
Nope. The standard notion of a UTM take the representation of a program and an input, and interprets it. With the caveat that those representations terminate! What you say, that the number given to the UTM is the number of steps for which the machine must run, is not what is asserted by Kleene's theorem, which is about functions of natural numbers: the T relation checks, primitive recursively, the encoding of a program and of an input, which is then fed to the universal interpreter. You do not say to a Turing machine for how much steps you need to run, because once a function is defined on an input, it will run and then stop. The fact that some partial recursive function is undefined for some input is accounted by the unbounded search, but this term is not part of the U or the T function. The Kleene equivalence needs, as you say, unbounded search, but if the T checks, it means that x is the encoding of e and n (a program and its input), and that the function will terminate on that input. No need to say for how much steps to run the function. Indeed, this is true of and evident in any programming language: you give to the interpreter the program and the input, not the number of steps.
Pfft00

I'm not sure what you have in mind for treatment of risk in finance. People will be concerned about risk in the sense that they compute a probablility distribution of the possible future outcomes of their portfolio, and try to optimize it to limit possible losses. Some institutional actors, like banks, have to compute a "value at risk" measure (the loss of value in the portfolio in the bottom 5th percentile), and have to put up a collateral based on that.

But those are all things that happen before a utility computation, they are all consistent wi... (read more)

Pfft00

It is very standard in economics, game theory, etc, to model risk aversion as a concave utility function. If you want some motivation for why, then e.g. the Von Neumann–Morgenstern utility theorem shows that a suitably idealized agent will maximize utility. But in general, the proof is in the pudding: the theory works in many practical cases.

Of course, if you want to study exactly how humans make decisions, then at some point this will break down. E.g. the decision process predicted by Prospect Theory is different from maximizing utility. So in general, th... (read more)

1Lumifer
Show me. We are talking about real life ("works", "practical"), right? Note that in finance where miscalculating risk can be a really expensive mistake that you pay for with real money, no one treats risk as a trivial consequence of a concave utility function. You might. It should take you about half a second to decide that the theory is wrong. If it takes you longer, you need to fix your thinking :-P
Pfft00

She eventually gives him the carrot pen so he can delete the recording, no?

2Artaxerxes
Sure, but that doesn't change all the tax he evaded.
Pfft420

I took the survey!

Pfft60

I write down one line (about 80 characters) about what things I did each day. Originally I intended to write down "accomplishments" in order to incentivise myself into being more accomplished, but it has since morphed into also being a record of notable things that happened, and a lot of free-form whining over how bad certain days are. It's kindof nice to be able to go back and figure out when exactly something in the past happens, or generally reminisce about what was going on some years ago.

Pfft00

There is Omilibrium, which does the vote SVD-ing thing.

Pfft00

He is a historian, studying history of science. That subject is exactly about studying what people (scientists) are saying.

Pfft00

I think Shane Legg's universal intelligence itself involves Kolmogorov complexity, so it's not computable and will not work here. (Also, it involves a function V, encoding the our values; if human values are irreducibly complex, that should add a bunch of bits.)

In general, I think this approach seems too good to be true? An intelligent agent is one which preforms well in the environment. But don't the "no free lunch" theorems show that you need to know what the environment is like in order to do that? Intuitively, that's what should cause the Kolmogorov complexity to go up.

0Houshalter
He made an actual test of it, that involved generating random brainfuck programs. And then tested various reinforcement learning algorithms on it to measure their intelligence, and even tested humans. That is an actual computable test that can be run. The no free lunch theorems apply to a completely uninformative prior. We have a prior. The Solomonoff prior, where you assume the environment was generated by a computer program. And that simpler programs are more likely than more complex ones. With that, some AI programs will be objectively better than others. You can have a free lunch. The output of this procedure would be at least as good as the best approximation of AIXI we can make with the same amount of computing power. In fact it basically would be the best approximation of AIXI possible, since it assumes the same prior and task. Though of course it's totally impractical, since it would require unimaginably huge computers to perform this brute force search.
Pfft80

For a LessWronger, the territory is the thing that can disagree with our map when we do an experiment. But for someone living in a "social culture", the disagreement with maps typically comes from enemies and assholes! Friends don't make their friends update their maps; they always keep an extra map for each friend.

I figured this was an absurd caricature, but then this thing floated by on tumblr:

So when arguing against objectivity, they said, don’t make the post-modern mistake of saying there is no truth, but rather that there are infinite

... (read more)
4Viliam
Sigh. These people are clearly unable to distinguish between "the territory" and "the person who talks about the territory". I had to breathe calmly for a few moments. Okay, I'm not touching this shit on the object level again. On a meta level, I wonder how much of the missing rationality skills these people never had vs how much they had but lost later when they became politically mindkilled.
Pfft00

Realistic kissing simulator to get over the fear of kissing

Ok, this is pretty amazing.

Pfft20

I guess because people want to live in the existing cities? It's not like there is nowhere to live in California--looking at some online apartment listings you can rent a 2 bedroom apt in Bakersfield CA for $700/month. But people still prefer to move to San Francisco and pay $5000/month.

Pfft90

In animal training it is said that best way to get rid of an undesired behaviour is to train the animal with an incompatible behaviour. For example if you have a problem with your dog chasing cats, train it to sit whenever it sees a cat -- it can't sit and chase at the same time. Googling "incompatible behavior" or "Differential Reinforcement of an Incompatible Behavior" yields lots of discussion.

The book Don't Shoot the Dog talks a lot about this, and suggests that the same should be true for people. (This is a very Less Wrong-style bo... (read more)

2ChristianKl
When it comes to training animals you can only go through behavorism. On the other hand when training people you can use CBT and other approaches.
Pfft20

Nitpick: it would be better to write "also a theorem of epistemic logic", since there are other modal logics where it is not provable. (E.g. just modal logic K).

Pfft50

I guess your theory is the same as what Alice Maz writes in the linked post. But I'm not at all convinced that that's a correct analysis of what Piper Harron is writing about. In the comments to Harron's post there are some more concrete examples of what she is talking about, which do indeed sound a bit like one-upping. I only know a couple of mathematicians, but from what I hear there are indeed lots of the social games even in math---it's not a pure preserve where only facts matter.

(And in general, I feel Maz' post seems a bit too saccharine, in so far a... (read more)

Pfft00

What are previous examples of people on LW applying mental techniques and getting into seriously harmful states?

0polymathwannabe
This poor soul got seriously freaked out after reading a SF novel where people disappear from the universal simulation every time they go to sleep.
0ChristianKl
That's not something about which I want to go publically into the details but if you would make a list of people posting about serious mental problems in the last two years and would look at the top of that list you would find the case. If you would then look at this users history you would find a discussion about applying a mental technique. There another LW event where multiple people threw up after a few rituals. Likely no lasting damage but still not optimal. In both cases the causality isn't obvious and you can make an argument that A wasn't the cause of B, but both of them were enough were emotional charged events and they got me to be more careful about the subject. There are also experiences that I had outside of the LW context that make me careful. For completion there are other events where people got into mental health issues after dealing with the anthropomorphic arguments too much. Very recently a person on slack posted that they are emotionally troubled as a result of QI. But mental health issues because taking a specific road in philosophic inquiry are distinct from using arrising in connection with mental techniques.
Pfft00

Source: been making my own jam for years, had plenty of time to experiment.

So did you actually make jam without sugar and then stored it for years before eating it?

2TezlaKoil
Yes.
Pfft20

In the story the superhappies propose to self-modify to appreciate complex art, not just simple porn, and they say that humans and babyeaters will both think that is an improvement. So to some degree the superhappies (with their very ugly spaceships) are repulsive to humans, although not as strongly repulsive as the babyeaters.

Pfft00

they are moral and wouldn't offer a deal unless it was beneficial according to both utility functions being merged (not just according to their value of happiness).

I guess whether it is beneficial or not depends on what you compare to? They say,

he obvious starting point upon which to build further negotiations, is to combine and compromise the utility functions of the three species until we mutually satisfice, providing compensation for all changes demanded.

So they are aiming for satisficing rather than maximizing utility: according to all three bef... (read more)

1cousin_it
Hmm, I guess I interpreted the super happies proposal differently, as saying that humans get compensation for any downgrade from (1) to (2).
Pfft-10

Sure, I think that was annoying. But it's not the stated reason for the ban.

Pfft10

Also, "monogamy versus hypergamy" has been discussed on Less Wrong since the dawn of time. See e.g. this post and discussion in comments, from 2009. Deciding now that this topic is impermissible crimethink seems like a pretty drastic narrowing of allowed thoughts.

Viliam100

In my opinion, the problem wasn't the topic per se, but how the author approached it:
comments in every Open Thread on the same topic, zero visible learning.

Pfft120

I... what? As I understand the comment, he wanted to ban sex outside marriage. Describing that as "women should be distributed to men they don't want sex with" seems ridiculously exaggerated.

I agree that his one-issue thing was tiresome, and perhaps there is some argument for making "being boring and often off-topic" a bannable offense in itself. But this moderation action seems poorly thought through.

Edit: digging through his comment history finds this comment, where he writes it would be better to marry daughters off as young virgins.... (read more)

1Pfft
Also, "monogamy versus hypergamy" has been discussed on Less Wrong since the dawn of time. See e.g. this post and discussion in comments, from 2009. Deciding now that this topic is impermissible crimethink seems like a pretty drastic narrowing of allowed thoughts.
Pfft40

The ending is a bit rushed. Here's hoping the sequel is good, it just arrived in the mail.

I thought the sequel was more boring. The structure of the books doesn't really work very well as a series, I feel. The things that I found most appealing about Justice were the new kind of narrator (in the flashbacks, when the same events are described from multiple viewpoints of the same character), and the gradual puzzle of figuring out how the universe works. But at the end of Justice that's all over, there is just a single ancillary left, and the whodunnit-mystery has been explained. So then Sword is a lot less novel, just another space opera...

3[anonymous]
Just finished it. I agree it was definitely not as good as the first one. It started out strong but then got kind of bogged down in the Fleet Captain pulling an Awn, the big conflict at the start of the novel is all but unaddressed, and it completely wasted Tisarwat's potential. Still enjoyable in many places to me (I was bursting out laughing for several minutes at 'this granite folds a peach!') but definitely less so. Hopefully its middle book syndrome and the third can come back...
Pfft00

I'm not sure he actually enjoyed it (e.g. 1, 2), be it through fault-finding or otherwise...

Pfft90

I feel this only raises more questions. :)

5Elo
After a year in comic sans - everything is friendly and curvy and I don't know what normal is any more. Also as an exercise in not hating things for no reasons. And avoiding bandwagons where they really really don't matter. I saw a lot of hate towards comic sans; which I always thought was mostly innocent. Someone made the chrome addon; and I found it. And so I decided to see if I cared. Turns out I don't.
Pfft50

The description of the use of posture in aikido is super interesting!

I'm a little worried that analogizing "mental arts" to martial arts might lead the imagination in the wrong direction--it evokes ideas like "flexible" or "balanced" etc. But thinking about mental states when I get a lot of research done, the biggest one by far is when I'm trying to prove some annoying guy wrong on an inconsequential comment thread on tumblr. If I could only harness that motivation, I'd be set for life. Thinking about aikido practitioners primes me for things like "zen-like and serene", not "peeved and petty".

Pfft00

Upvoted, but mostly for the first paragraph and photo. :)

Pfft30

Just calling the problem undecidable doesn't actually solve anything. If you can prove it's undecidable, it creates the same paradox. If no Turing machine can know whether or not a program halts, and we are also Turing machines, then we can't know either.

I guess the answer to this point is that when constructing the proof that H(FL, FL) loops forever, we assume that H can't be wrong. So we are working in an extended set of axioms: the program enumerates proofs given some set of axioms T, and the English-language proof in the tumblr post uses the axiom s... (read more)

Pfft00

The voicing thing is known as rendaku. Generally it's a bit of a mystery when it will and will not happen. This thesis lists a bunch of proposed rules, two of which seem relevant:

  • Rendaku is favoured if the compound words are native-Japanese (yamatokotoba). This might be the reason for kozukai vs mahoutsukai, ko is native-Japanese and mahou is sino-Japanese. So by analogy, one would not expect voicing for beizutsukai.

  • Noun+Verb compounds exhibit rendaku if the noun is an "adverbial modifier" but none if it's a direct object. In "using magi

... (read more)
Pfft10

I would imagine that using foxes give you a lot more to work with though. Foxes in nature live in pairs or small groups. The children stay around the parent for a long time. So they already have mechanisms in place for social behaviours. (And even if they are not expressed, there probably are some latent possibilities shared among mammals? E.g. this article about the evolution of housecats notes that they independently evolved a lot of the same behaviours that lion prides use to socialise, even though wildcats are solitary.)

Pfft20

How about amortizing it among LessWrong users? If there are enough interested people we can pool up to buy a pair, each one in the pool gets to keep it for (say) a month, and then mails it in an envelope to the next guy. Maybe everyone has to write an experience report as a Less Wrong comment, too.

3Elo
I am not against the idea but also in the US they are quite reasonably priced. I had to pay shipping to far away, shipping was almost as much as the rings. The point of my post was a that its a null-experiment (AKA - don't bother trying it because it wasn't that exciting). If I don't share the fact that it was actually not worthwhile, someone else motivated to do it won't know it has already been reported on.
Pfft40

Indians call sterile mosquitos CIA agents (Washington Post, December 10, 1974).

"The history of genetic control trials against culicine mosquitoes in India in the mid-1970s shows how opposition can have far-reaching consequences. After several years of work on field testing of the mating competitiveness of sterile male mosquitoes, accusations that the project was meant to obtain data for biologic warfare using yellow fever were launched in the press and taken up by opposition politicians. Shortly afterward, a well-prepared attempt to eradicate an urban... (read more)

8HungryHobo
I really wish that having military/intelligence operatives pose as aid workers or humanitarian workers even outside of war was treated similar to a war crime.
Pfft00

My impression is that chemical weapons were very effective in the Iran-Iraq war (e.g.), despite the gas mask having been invented.

Pfft80

Coming up: the post is promoted to Main; it is re-released as a MIRI whitepaper; Nick Bostrom publishes a book-length analysis; The New Yorker features a meandering article illustrated by a tasteful watercolor showing a trolly attacked by a Terminator.

0Lumifer
Followed by a blockbuster movie where Hollywood kicks the tasteful watercolor to the curb and produces an hour-long battle around the trolley between a variety of Terminators, Transformers, and X-Men, led by Shodan on one side and GlaDOS on the other, while in a far-off Tibetan monastery the philosophers meditate on the meaning of the word mu.
Pfft00

As I understood it, the reaction mass for Orion comes from the chemical explosives used to implode the bomb. (The bomb design would be quite unusual, with several tons of explosives acting on a very small amount of plutonium).

0Izeinwinter
There are better options if you want to go nuclear for propulsion. http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/718391main_Werka_2011_PhI_FFRE.pdf It's not an unreasonable amount of mass to get into LEO, and so very elegant as a drive.
-5VoiceOfRa
Nornagest100

I can see what you're getting at, but I don't think the rationality content here is enough to justify importing a notoriously divisive topic.

Pfft20

Yeah, the Barbie book seems kind of unfortunate. On the other hand, lambdaphagy wrote an also hillarious/depressing post about the criticism of the book: women writing about their experiences in IT is very problematic.

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