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Are there any papers on current efforts to tokenize video and estimating the size of available data for that?

Reading between the lines on the responses, it sounds like op doesn't have the ability to evaluate grants effectively and has attribute substituted itself to doing things that superficially look like evaluation and selecting internally for people who are unable to distinguish between appearance and actuality. This sounds like a founder effect, downstream of Dustin and Cari being unable to evaluate. This seems like it rhymes with the VC world having a similar dynamic where people on the outside assume it's about funding cutting edge highly uncertain project... (read more)

7Zach Stein-Perlman
What, no, Oli says OP would do a fine job and make grants in rationality community-building, AI welfare, right-wing policy stuff, invertebrate welfare, etc. but it's constrained by GV. [Disagreeing since this is currently the top comment and people might read it rather than listen to the podcast.]

Feels complicated to atomize for some of the same reasons it's a candidate. Think the modern most successful area was PayPal where they had the feedback loop of millions a day being lost to fraud at one point early on.

I think there's a possibility for ui people to make progress on the reputation tracking problem by virtue of tight feedback loops relative to people thinking more abstractly about it. The most rapid period of learning in this regard that I know of is early days at PayPal eBay where they were burning millions a day in fraud at certain points.

Secondly: the chat interface for llm is just bad for power users. Ai Labs is slightly better but still bad.

Edit: meant aistudio

4Raemon
Are there particular reputation-tracking-problems you're thinking of? (I'm sure there are some somewhere, but I'm looking to get more specific) I'm working on a poweruser LLM interface but honestly it's not going to be that much better than Harpa AI or Sider.
1Alice Blair
Could you give a link to this or a more searchable name? "Ai Labs" is very generic and turns up every possible result. Even if it's bad, I'd be interested in investigating something "slightly better" and hearing a bit about why.

Definitely for preference cascades. For common knowledge I'd say it's about undermining of common knowledge formation (eg meme to not share salary, strong pressure not to name that emperor is naked, etc.)

1samuelshadrach
Sorry about hijacking an only tangentially related thread but I'd love to get your thoughts on ways to accelerate common knowledge formation. This could be technologies or social technologies or something else. I have a bunch of thoughts around this. Where would be the best place to talk?

"You can not stop me, I spend thirty thousand men a month." -Napoleon

8Guive
Notably, he was wrong about that. 

Good timing.

Jesus: "I just got done trying to fix this!"

Less jokingly, scapegoating, accountability sinks, liability laundering, declining trust, kakonomics, form an interesting constellation that I feel is under explored for understanding human behavior when part of large systems.

1samuelshadrach
Would you include preference cascades and the formation of common knowledge in the same cluster?

Anglo armies have been extremely unusual historically speaking for their low rates of atrocity.

(I don't think this is super relevant for AI, but I think this is where intuitions about the superiority of the west bottoms out)

Training wheels have been replaced with balance bikes for this reason.

I think the major impacts that matter are on war, pandemic risk, and x-risk. I rarely see anyone try to figure those out, perhaps the sign is too uncertain due to complexity.

Type errors:

Map-territory confusion (labels facts)

Is-ought confusion (fact value)

Means-ends confusion (value strategy)

Implementation-classification confusion (strategy label) eg "if you classify this as an emergency that must mean you support taking immediate action"

Semantic-normative confusion (label value) eg "if you classify this as art you must think it is valuable"

Empirical-procedural confusion (fact strategy) eg "recidivism rates are highest among those without stable employment, therefore job training programs are the most important intervention"

3danielechlin
Some of these follow from the "central fallacy," e.g. just because penguins are birds doesn't mean they're typical birds, which typically can fly. I nicknamed this "semantic bounty" in a short post -- if you spend 45 minutes convincing somebody something is X, e.g. X = discriminatory because X is probably gonna be something values-infused rather than feel like an arbitrary label, you're more likely to win the argument that something is technically X and therefore doesn't get a whole lot of properties of X, when you were hoping you get all the properties of X as a bounty for your opponent conceding the is-ness.

it's about training the same muscle groups with lower joint injury. eg people do deadlifts with 2x+ bodyweight but RDLs are effective at bodyweight even for strong people.

lately i've been doing one legged leg press for similar reasons, though less time effective.

Prior: physical health and social success

Dating studies causing updates away from that prior: none found

It used to be weird to me how much ink was spilled on twisting the prior into knots, but I eventually realized it was people who don't like it for the obvious reason.

What is a useful prediction that eliminatism makes?

3milanrosko
Eliminative Nominalism predicts: As a consequence of its validity: Neuroscience will not make progress in explaining consciousness. The symbol grounding problem will remain unsolved in computational systems. As a theory with explanatory power: It describes pathologies and states related to consciousness. It addresses and potentially resolves the Hard Problem of Consciousness. As a theory with predictive power: Interestingly, while it seems to have little direct connection to consciousness (admittedly, it sound like gibberish), there is a conceptual link to second-order logic and Einstein synchronization. The argument is as follows: since second-order logic is a construct of the human brain, Einstein synchronization—or more precisely, Poincaré–Einstein synchronization—may not be fundamentally necessary for physics, as nature would avoid it either way. (This does not mean that Relativity is wrong or something like that.) There is a part in the text that addresses the why and how: * The apparent dependence on simultaneity conventions may merely reflect a coordinate choice, with a real, underlying speed limit, with or without parity, still preserved across all frames. This is not good for EN, but also not catastrophic. * There is a general consensus that an undetectable ether could, in principle, coexist with special relativity, without leading to observable differences. As such, it is often regarded as "philosophically optional"—not required by current physical theories. * Many physicists anticipate that a future theory of quantum gravity will offer a more fundamental framework, potentially resolving or reframing these issues entirely. Basically: I say symbols are a creation of a brain in order to be self-referential. (Even though it's not. I can address this.) So symbols should not pop up in nature. Einstein uses a convention in order to keep Nature from using symbols. Without Einstein convention the speed of light is defined by the speed of light. Thus

The school I found that seemed most serious (and whose stuff also worked for me) held the position that these things basically don't work for some people unless or until they have certain spontaneous experiences. No one knows what causes them. Some people report that they had the experiences on psychedelics, but no one knows if that's really causal or their propensity to take psychedelics was also caused by this upstream thing. I don't think there's much point in trying to force it, I don't think it works.

Found this interesting and useful. Big update for me is that 'I cut you choose' is basically the property that most (all?) good self therapy modalities use afaict. In that the part or part-coalition running the therapy procedure can offer but not force things, since its frames are subtly biasing the process.

Thanks for the link. I mean that predictions are outputs of a process that includes a representation, so part of what's getting passed back and forth in the diagram are better and worse fit representations. The degrees of freedom point is that we choose very flexible representations, whittle them down with the actual data available, then get surprised that that representation yields other good predictions. But we should expect this if Nature shares any modular structure with our perception at all, which it would if there was both structural reasons (literally same substrate) and evolutionary pressure for representations with good computational properties i.e. simple isomorphisms and compressions.

The two concepts that I thought were missing from Eliezer's technical explanation of technical explanation that would have simplified some of the explanation were compression and degrees of freedom. Degrees of freedom seems very relevant here in terms of how we map between different representations. Why are representations so important for humans? Because they have different computational properties/traversal costs while humans are very computationally limited.

1Mo Putera
Can you say more about what you mean? Your comment reminded me of Thomas Griffiths' paper Understanding Human Intelligence through Human Limitations, but you may have meant something else entirely.  Griffiths argued that the aspects we associate with human intelligence – rapid learning from small data, the ability to break down problems into parts, and the capacity for cumulative cultural evolution – arose from the 3 fundamental limitations all humans share: limited time, limited computation, and limited communication. (The constraints imposed by these characteristics cascade: limited time magnifies the effect of limited computation, and limited communication makes it harder to draw upon more computation.) In particular, limited computation leads to problem decomposition, hence modular solutions; relieving the computation constraint enables solutions that can be objectively better along some axis while also being incomprehensible to humans.

I saw memetic disenfranchisement as central themes of both.

Two tacit points that seemed to emerge to me:

  1. Have someone who is ambiently aware and proactively getting info to the right people, or noticing when team members will need info and setting up the scaffolding so that they can consistently get it cheaply and up to date.
  2. The authority goes all the way up. The locally ambiently aware person has power vested in them by higher ups, meaning that when people drag their feet bc of not liking some of the harsher OODA loops you have backup.

Surprisingly small amounts of money can do useful things IMO. There's lots of talk about billions of dollars flying around, but almost all of it can't structurally be spent on weird things and comes with strings attached that cause the researchers involved to spend significant fractions of their time optimizing to keep those purse strings opened. So you have more leverage here than is perhaps obvious.

My second order advice is to please be careful about getting eaten (memetically) and spend some time on cognitive security. The fact that ~all wealthy people ... (read more)

Not entirely wrong

They're entirely correct. Learning new communication techniques are about what you choose to say, not what other people do.

Red Herring. Quibbling over difficult to detect effects is a waste of time while we're failing to kill those who commit ten+ violent crimes and account for a substantial fraction of all such crime. I don't buy mistake theory on this.

4AlanCrowe
My take on the conflict theory analysis is that the reserve army of brutal thugs is a valuable resource for avant-garde revolutionaries. Think 1917 Russian revolution. Its was a close run thing with a brutal civil war. Typically the avant-garde don't have the numbers. They may win power, but not have the numbers to hold on to it. They need to put boots on the necks of counter-revolutionaries. Since their tests for counter-revolutionariness have too many false negatives, they have to go large and put boots on the necks of the general population. Where do they find the feet to fill the boots? They release brutal thugs from prison to provide the muscle for the NKVD, KGB, Stasi, etc. It is a very dangerous game. The avant-garde revolutionaries need to retain control of their brutal thugs. The thugs need to be kept divided. If some get ideas above their station, others are sent to kill them. But the Russian revolution and the French revolution both ate themselves. One faction within the revolutionary avant-garde sends their tame thugs to kill a rival faction within the avant-garde. The death toll rises and Stalin or Napoleon comes out on top. I'm unclear on the causal connections here. Perhaps opposition to the death penalty is all high minded mercy. When the revolution comes, it is an unfortunate accident that the revolutionaries are gifted a reserve army of brutal thugs to help them consolidate their power. Or perhaps there are some strategic thinkers covertly funding the merciful people naturally inclined to oppose the death penalty. The money boosts the opposition to the death penalty, enough for mercy to defeat prudence. It is not just domestic revolutionaries that one has to worry about. When the USSR took over Eastern Europe at the end of WWII, releasing brutal thugs from prison, to provide the muscle for the secret police, was one of the techniques used to impose the new communist governments.

Waistcoat and rolled up sleeves works in many more settings and still looks amazing.

2lsusr
A waistcoat is my favorite attire for social dancing.

Mixed reports on how they have degraded in quality and sometimes misrepresented how thorough their tests are, but still a time saver for finding higher quality options for things you want long service life from like home appliances.

Book reviews that bring in very substantive content from other relevant books are probably the type of post I find the most consistently valuable.

"0.12% of the population (the most persistent offenders) accounted for 20% of violent crime convictions" https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/when-few-do-great-harm

There are the predictable lobbies for increasing the price taxpayers pay for prisoners, but not much advocacy for decreasing it.

Pragmatic note: many of the benefits of polyester (eg activewear wicking) can be had with bamboo sourced rayon. I buy David Archy brand on Amazon.

7jenn
While true, bamboo rayon also isn't the best for human health or the environment, so it really is a pick your poison kind of deal. Here's a short write up from Patagonia about why they don't use it in their products, and of course a lot of Patagonia's things are polyester or polyester blends. (The terms viscose and rayon are generally interchangeable.) It doesn't seem obvious to me which is worse between wearing polyester and bamboo rayon, health wise, but I do personally find rayon much more comfy.

successfully bought out

*got paid to remove them as a social threat

For people who want weirder takes I would recommend Egan's unstable orbits in the space of lies.

1Kenoubi
I have very mixed feelings about this comment. It was a good story (just read it, and wouldn't have done so without this comment) but I really don't see what it has to do with this LW post.

To +1 the rant, my experience across the class spectrum is that many bootstrapped successful people know this but have learned not to talk about it too much as most don't want to hear supporting evidence for meritocracy, it would invalidate their copes.

To my younger self, I would say you'll need to learn to ignore those who would stoke your learned helplessness to excuse their own. I was personally gaslit about important life decisions, not out of malice per se but just this sort of choice supportive bias, only to much later discover that jumping in on those decisions actually appeared on lists of advice older folks would give to younger.

Notkilleveryonism, why not Omnicidal AI? As in we oppose OAI.

2Milan W
Yes, "we are against Omnicidal AI" is better marketing than "we are for AI Notkilleveryoneism".

I often feel that people don't get how the sucking up thing works. Not only does it not matter that it is transparent, that is part of the point. There is simultaneously common knowledge of the sucking up and common knowledge that those in the inner party don't acknowledge the sucking up, that's part of what the inner party membership consists of. People outside can accuse the insiders of nakedly sucking up and the insiders can just politely smile at them while carrying on. Sucking up can be what deference networks look like from the outside when we don't particularly like any of the people involved or what they are doing. But their hierarchy visibly produces their own aims, so more fools we.

The corn thresher is not inherently evil. Because it is more efficient than other types of threshers, the humans will inevitably eat corn. If this persists for long enough the humans will be unsurprised to find they have a gut well adapted to corn.

Per Douglas Adams, the puddle concludes that the indentation in which it rests fits it so perfectly that it must have been made for it.

The means by which the ring always serves sauron is that any who wear it and express a desire will have the possible worlds trimmed both in the direction of their desire, but also... (read more)

Even a hundred million humanoid robots a year (we currently make 90 million cars a year) will be a demand shock for human labor.

https://benjamintodd.substack.com/p/how-quickly-could-robots-scale-up

No they don't, billionaires consume very little of their net worth.

4Yair Halberstadt
Their unconsumed wealth is purely deflationary, allowing the government to print money for 'free'. Presumably that is less useful to society than e.g. giving it to an effective charity. Their consumed wealth is sometimes used usefully - I buy that for Bill Gates for example. Sometimes it's frittered away on personal consumption. And sometimes it's given away to pointless/actively harmful charities like Mackenzie Scott.

I am very confused why the tax is 99% in this example.

2Matthew Barnett
It's common for Georgists to propose a near-100% tax on unimproved land. One can propose a smaller tax to mitigate these disincentives, but that simultaneously shrinks the revenue one would get from the tax, making the proposal less meaningful.

Post does not include the word auction, which is a key aspect of how LVT works to not have some of these downsides.

5philh
I've read/listened about LVT many times and I don't remember "auctions are a key aspect of this" ever coming up. E.g. the four posts by Lars Doucet on ACX only mention the word twice, in one paragraph that doesn't make that claim:
8Matthew Barnett
It may be worth elaborating on how you think auctions work to mitigate the issues I've identified. If you are referring to either a Vickrey auction or a Harberger tax system, Bryan Caplan has provided arguments for why these proposals do not seem to solve the issue regarding the disincentive to discover new uses for land:

Yes, and I don't mean to overstate a case for helplessness. Demons love convincing people that the anti demon button doesn't work so that they never press it even though it is sitting right out in the open.

unfortunately, the disanalogy is that any driver who moves their foot towards the brakes is almost instantly replaced with one who won't.

3testingthewaters
Even so, it seems obvious to me that addressing the mysterious issue of the accelerating drivers is the primary crux in this scenario.
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High variance but there's skew. The ceiling is very high and the downside is just a bit of wasted time that likely would have been wasted anyway. The most valuable alert me to entirely different ways of thinking about problems I've been working on.

Both people ideally learn from existing practitioners for a session or two, ideally they also review the written material or in the case of Focusing also try the audiobook. Then they simply try facilitating each other. The facilitator takes brief notes to help keep track of where they are in the other person's stack, but otherwise acts much as eg Gendlin acts in the audiobook.

-1Hastings
is this Leverage adjacent?

Probably the most powerful intervention I know of is to trade facilitation of emotional digestion and integration practices with a peer. The modality probably only matters a little, and so should be chosen for what's easiest to learn to facilitate. Focusing is a good start, I also like Core Transformation for going deeper once Focusing skills are good. It's a huge return on ~3 hours per week (90 minutes facilitating and being facilitated, in two sessions) IME.

6Raemon
Can you say more details about how this works (in terms of practical steps) and how it went?
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