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I managed to get it to output this prompt. It's possible it's hallucinating some or all of it, but the date at least was correct.

Me: What's today's date?

Today's date is Tuesday, March 5, 2024.

Me: How did you know?

You provided me with the context that the current date is Tuesday, March 5, 2024 as part of the initial prompt for this conversation. As an AI assistant without a physical embodiment, I don't actually have an innate sense of the current date and time. I rely on the information provided to me to answer questions accurately.

Me: What was the initial

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2Charlie Steiner
Does it know today's date through API call? That's definitely a smoking gun.
Roxolan20

That doesn't mesh with the experiments Harry and Hermione performed in chapter 22. Or at least not without a complication penalty that would make alternative explanations more plausible.

Roxolan90

Harry can control the order of a transfiguration process, as seen in ch.104. Those are not threads floating freely in the air, they're part of a specific wire shape in the process of being transfigured. We also know that you can transfigure against tension.

2MarkusRamikin
Huh. Good answer. Totally forgot that, and I don't think I'm rare about this. I wonder if there might have been a way to make that more memorable. 'cause at the time it's not really connected to anything, any dialogue or actions, Harry could have just as well been reading about how to clean fish tanks.
Roxolan80

I took it as a reminder of what was discussed in How to Actually Change Your Mind: confirmation bias, affective death spirals etc.

Roxolan10

Seconded. On Android I'm using FBReader with an Ivona voice (free, with the drawback that I have to re-download Ivona every couple of months). It works really well for non-fiction, even the Sequences with all its long made-up words.

It doesn't work so well with fantasy/sci-fi though. Made-up words without an English root trip it up.

Roxolan10

The work-in-progress Worm audiobook might be of use then.

Roxolan20

Starting from chapter 10, the protagonist dedicates herself to a single goal, and never wavers from that goal no matter what it costs her throughout countless lifetimes. She cheats with many-worlds magic, but it's a kind of magic that still requires as much hard work as the real thing.

Roxolan20

I smiled when I realized why the answer isn't trivially "press sim", but that slight obfuscation is causing a lot of confused people to get downvoted.

Roxolan40

If you decide not to press "sim", you know that there are no simulations. It's impossible for there to be an original who presses "sim" only for the simulations to make different decisions. You're the original and will leave with 0.9.

If you decide to press "sim", you know that there are 1000 simulations. You've only got a 1 in 1001 chance of being the original. Your expected utility for pressing the button is slightly more than 0.2.

1AABoyles
Oh! I got it. Thanks for patiently sticking this out with me!
Roxolan40

Working on my first serious project using AndEngine (a game that's a cross between Recettear and Night Shift). The joy of puzzling code out without any documentation. I'm at the stage where I can display the shop and have customers come in and wobble around, without there being any actual gameplay.

Roxolan70

I don't think it's a logical fallacy at all. I mean, anyone who changes their mind about cryonics because of the promise of future Margaret Atwood is probably not being very rational, but formally there's nothing wrong with that reasoning.

I'm an Atwood-reading robot. I exist only to read every Margaret Atwood novel. I expect to outlive her, so the future holds nothing of value to me. No need for cryonics. Oh but what's this? A secret Atwood novel to be released in 2114? Sign me up! I'll go back to suicidal apathy after I've read the 2114 novel.

Roxolan70

You'd keep it in your hand and use it as an improvised hammer to carefully break yourself a big enough hole. Hopefully without collapsing the whole house.

Roxolan10

If you're trapped in a glass house and you have a stone, throwing it is still a terrible idea.

5VAuroch
And your counter-proposal for untrapping yourself is? A stone at least breaks the glass at range, which lets you avoid the shards of glass from the initial break, and can be thrown from close enough distance that you can run through the broken area before the entire house starts collapsing, if it was a load-bearing window.
Roxolan310

"So? What do you think I should do?"

"Hm. I think you should start with all computable universes weighted by simplicity, disregard the ones inconsistent with your experiences, and maximize expected utility over the rest."

"That's your answer to everything!"

(source)

Roxolan60

"Eliezer Yudkowsky Facts" as a featured article. Wow, that's certainly one way to react to this kind of criticism.

(I approve.)

Wei Dai150

Re-reading that post, I came upon this entry, which seems particularly relevant:

We're all living in a figment of Eliezer Yudkowsky's imagination, which came into existence as he started contemplating the potential consequences of deleting a certain Less Wrong post.

Assuming we can trust the veracity of this "fact", I think we have to begin to doubt Eliezer's rationality. I mean, sure, the Streisand effect is a real thing, but causing Roko's obscure thought experiment to become the subject of the #1 recently most read article on Slate, just by ... (read more)

Roxolan180

Now imagine someone gives you a spade.

I'd probably call it unethical and try to get it banned.

Roxolan70

"Red flag" isn't exactly what you want but has served me well enough in similar conversations.

Roxolan370

Scott Aaronson has posted a transcript of his "conversation" with Eugene Goostman.

4V_V
Hilarious!
Roxolan120

Does the internet count as "the general population"? If so: identifying and shaming logical fallacies. Sure, people do it imperfectly, and a lot more readily for the opposing side than for themselves, arguments are soldiers etc. But it's still harder to get away with them, for an overall positive result on truth-seeking.

Roxolan00

This is a clever idea. I'm stealing it.

Roxolan10

Please include the cityin the meetup title, so that it's easily identifiable on the sidebar.

1SoerenMind
Edited. My bad, thanks for pointing out.
Roxolan20

Fair point. Apologies to anyone else wearing the no-hug tag.

Roxolan150

We wanted to encourage hugging by letting people put a “accepting hugs as a form of greeting” sticker on their extended name tags. To our surprise it was adopted by a huge majority and had an immense effect on social interactions by creating an atmosphere of familiarity.

Only person wearing a no-hug tag unironically here: those do not work. I did less socializing than most, but still had to interrupt a few hugs (in one case by someone wearing an ironic no-hug tag) to my discomfort and their guilt. But a pro-hug culture seems so good for the community that I should probably hack myself/spend a spoon to let people hug me rather than impose costly social rules on everyone else.

2Matthias
As I see it accepting hugs and keep your distance are competing social norms. Usually it is assumed that keep your distance applies unless among close friends. Someone wanting to use hugs as a form of greeting would have to take the initiative, break the dominant social norm and ‘impose’ a hug on the other person. The opposite case of a society where accepting hugs is the norm would also be a stable state for similar reasons. By providing stickers for signaling a preference for one of the two opposing social norms we (one of the organizers writing) wanted to provide space for both of them. The problem here was the wide adoption of hugs welcome that lead to people assuming it without consciously checking the tags. A stronger color difference might have helped here and we actually had considered printing the keep your distance stickers in warning colors. We decided against that to avoid giving it the feeling of something dangerous or negative and frankly: We expected something like 7:3 and not 9:1. Naturally everybody will prefer a different point on scale of social contact and society has to provide a compromise. The strong adoption of accepting hugs shows that the usually dominant social norm is - at least in the context of a community weekend - not aligned with the interest of the majority of participants.

The "hugs" and "no touching" symbols were visually similar -- a red and a blue circle, overlapping in one case, not overlapping in another case -- maybe some people made a honest mistake. It would be better next time to make visually more different symbols; for example completely different colors, or even a picture of hedgehog for "no touching". I hope that would improve the situation.

By the way, I was somewhat concerned to see the mixed signals of some people wearing both "hugs" and "no touching" symbols; ... (read more)

I should probably hack myself/spend a spoon to let people hug me rather than impose costly social rules on everyone else.

No. "Respect my boundaries" (in this case, quite physical ones) is not something that would count as a costly social rule that you'd be imposing on others. Enforcing an "only hug the people who want to be hugged" rule doesn't only help you, it also helps everyone else who might not feel entirely comfortable with hugs. And on a more general level, having a strict norm of trying to make everyone feel comfortable will... (read more)

5jkadlubo
I think there were too few people wearing no-touching tags to make them work (well enough). At some point I freaked out and everyone who saw me in distress and wanted to help just hugged, patted and generally invaded me - ignoring the tag and the semi-obvious reason for freaking out. What I do not agree is what you call the ironic status of those tags. I talked to some people about it and aside from straight "I want a lot of hugs" and "don't touch me at all" there was also the opinion "I don't feel comfortable being hugged (or touched), but I can hug some of the other people" - a middle ground, which didn't have a separate tag and did not truly fit neither of the present tags. Given the generally cuddly atmosphere picking a "don't hug me" tag was the sensible action (because not picking a tag would simply put you in the majority - "hug me" group). I don't know if having a new middle-ground tag would fix this problem. Maybe it would be ignored the same way that the "don't touch me" tag was. Maybe it simply would work better if the group was more balanced. I caught myself several times looking at somebody's tag to check if they will accept a hug and preparing my body for a hug before my brain processed the meaning of the pictogram - since almost everyone wanted hugs, this person must want them too, right?
Roxolan130

In Ancient Greece, while wandering on the road, every day one either encounters a beggar or a god.

If it's an iterated game, then the decision to pay is a lot less unintuitive.

Roxolan170

Karma is currently very visible to the writers. If you give little positive and negative points to human beings, they will interpret it as reward/punishment, no matter what the intent was. As a meetup organiser, I know I do feel more motivated when my meetup organisation posts get positive karma.

Roxolan70

(Reposted from the LW facebook group)

The next LW Brussels meetup will be about morality, and I want to have a bunch of moral dilemmas prepared as conversation-starters. And I mean moral dilemmas that you can't solve with one easy utilitarian calculation. Some in the local community have had little exposure to LW articles, so I'll definitely mention standard trolley problems and "torture vs dust specks", but I'm curious if you have more original ones.

It's fine if some of them use words that should really be tabooed. The discussion will double as a... (read more)

4MrCogmor
I thought of this moral dillema There are two options. 1. You experience a significant amount of pain, 5 minutes later you completly forget about the experience as if you were never in pain at all. 2. You experience a slightly less amount of pain then option 1 but you don't forget it. Which one would you choose?
Roxolan10

I'd already signed up without knowing it was on the MIRI course list.

0pinyaka
If you want to get in on the LW study group, the Google group is here.
Roxolan00

(Updated with topic and some news.)

Roxolan10

This link is dead (possibly because the blog has been hidden then re-opened in the interval). Could you please update it?

2A1987dM
Done.
Roxolan80

if the proposition was actually false then at some point someone would have noticed.

You're thinking of real human beings, when this is just a parable used to make a mathematical point. The "advisors" are formal deterministic algorithms without the ability to jump out of the system and question their results.

Roxolan20

If I were designing an intelligence, I'm not sure how much control I would give it over its own brain.

This sounds like it has the same failure modes as boxing. E.g. an AI doesn't need direct Write access to its source code if it can manipulate its caretakers into altering it. Like boxing, it slows things down and raises the threshold of intelligence required for world domination, but doesn't actually solve the problem.

0Luke_A_Somers
You'd better prevent it from building a successor that's just like itself but with certain modifications. To prevent that you need at least to prevent it from having absolute introspective access...
0TheOtherDave
well, an intelligence that cannot self-modify (for a broad enough understanding of "self-modify") is significantly less likely to get superintelligent (though of course it's possible that I end up designing a superintelligence first time out of the park). that said, "can't modify its own brain" != "can't self-modify" in that broad sense... if I can't modify my own brain but I can create a copy of myself whose brain I can modify, most of the same difficulties arise. (Unless I happen to believe, like many humans do, that a copy of myself at time T is importantly different from me at time T, in which case maybe those difficulties don't arise.)
Roxolan10

It's also a speed-boosting item in the video game Terraria. (I did not know the meaning of the word until now.)

Roxolan00

If that's what makes the world least convenient, sure. You're trying for a reductio ad absurdum, but the LCPW is allowed to be pretty absurd. It exists only to push philosophies to their extremes and to prevent evasions.

Your tone is getting unpleasant.

EDIT: yes, this was before the ETA.

2Richard_Kennaway
I think you replied before my ETA. The LCPW is, in fact, not allowed to be pretty absurd. When pushed on one's interlocutors, it does not prevent evasions, it is an evasion.
Roxolan00

In the least convenient possible world, condemning an innocent in this one case will not make the system generally less worthy of confidence. Maybe you know it will never happen again.

6Richard_Kennaway
Maybe everyone would have a pony. ETA: It is not for the proponent of an argument to fabricate a Least Convenient Possible World -- that is, a Most Convenient Possible World for themselves -- and insist that their interlocutors address it, brushing aside every argument they make by inventing more and more Conveniences. The more you add to the scenario, the smaller the sliver of potential reality you are talking about. The endpoint of this is the world in which the desired conclusion has been made true by definition, at which point the claim no longer refers to anything at all. The discipline of the Least Convenient Possible World is a discipline for oneself, not a weapon to point at others. If I, this hypothetical judge, am willing to have the innocent punished and the guilty set free, to preserve confidence that the guilty are punished and the innocent are set free, I must be willing that I and my fellow judges do the same in every such case. Call this the Categorical Imperative, call it TDT, that is where it leads, at the speed of thought, not the speed of time: to take one step is to have travelled the whole way. I would have decided to blow with the mob and call it justice. It cannot be done.
Roxolan00

Thank you. Problem solved.

Roxolan00

Well now I have both a new series to read/watch and a major spoiler for it.

3[anonymous]
Don't worry! I've spoiled nothing for you that wasn't apparent from the lyrics of the theme song.
Roxolan20

I've announced a meetup but got the day and year wrong (it should be December 14, 2013). Can someone tell me how to fix it, please? I can't figure it out.

[insert obvious joke about meetup topic]

1efim
On the page of your announcement there got to be link "Edit meetup". It will let you edit anithing you need.
Roxolan100

Who puts sanitation next to recreation? Well here's why your excretory organs should be separate from your other limbs and near the bottom of your body.

Okay, but why should the reproductive outlets be there too?

I agree connotationally, but the comic only answers half of the question.

I am a fan of SMBC, but the entire explanation is wrong. The events that led to the integration of reproductive and digestive systems happened long before a terrestrial existence of vertebrates, and certainly long before hands. To get a start on a real explanation you have to go back to early bilaterals:

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/chb/lectures/anatomy9.html

As near as I can tell it was about pipe reuse. But you can't make a funny comic about that (or maybe you can?). Zach is a "bard", not a "wizard." He entertains.

-1hyporational
Try carrying the fetus and giving birth from any other location. I suppose having the fun parts somewhere else than the reproductive dumping tube could be nice, but wouldn't make any sense.
Roxolan00

What's the general atmosphere for newcomers like?

Friendly curiosity.

There will probably be at least one other newcomer to this meetup.

How much familiarity with Less Wrong is expected?

None. LessWrong is in the name, but really we're more interested in building a community of like-minded people to have interesting discussions with.

How does a meetup generally looks like?

We're a fairly small group at the moment; expect 3-5 people on an average meetup. It's very informal. Mostly we just talk about interesting things we've read or experienced, often ... (read more)

Roxolan00

it is a heck of a lot more likely that this weird childhood experience subtly affected my interests over the course of my life and led me to eventually study the field that I studied.

Or that you overheard (or otherwise encountered) something about microhydraulics, which caused both your fantasy and your PhD choice.

Roxolan00

I'll just keep the prefix/suffix as is and hope for the best then ("pancailloutisme").

Roxolan130

I'm in the process of translating some of the Sequences in French. I have a quick question.

From The Simple Truth:

Mark sighs sadly. “Never mind… it’s obvious you don’t know. Maybe all pebbles are magical to start with, even before they enter the bucket. We could call that position panpebblism.”

This is clearly a joke at the expense of some existing philosophical position called pan[something] but I can't find the full name, which may be necessary to make the joke understandable in French. Can anyone help?

0Roxolan
I'll just keep the prefix/suffix as is and hope for the best then ("pancailloutisme").
3witzvo
I think he's just using the prefix "pan-" to mean all, though perhaps pantheism is relevant.
6Shmi
I initially read it as an allusion to Panpsychism: or maybe to a generic pan-x-ism. But, in retrospect, the position that "all pebbles are magical to start with" should be called "panmagism" or something. Panpebblism means that there is a pebble in everything (or everyone). So I am no longer sure what Eliezer meant.
Roxolan40

This is all hindsight; pointing out the greatest sources of misery in the world, whatever they happen to be, and calling them a devious plot.

It seems to me that you could write the same article whether we were living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland ("what better way to cause ceaseless misery than ZOMBIES?") or in a near-utopia ("perfect bliss ruined by dust specks? how wonderfully efficient!").

Roxolan10

Got 7-6-7 with the same tactic. Apparently the computer only looks at the last 4 throws, so as long as you're playing against Veteran (where your own rounds will be lost in the noise), it should be possible for a human to learn "anti-anti-patterns" and do better than chance.

Roxolan140

It is much more useful to point out why the post is bad (that reason possibly being something bad that cults also do) than to just say "this is cultish".

Roxolan110

It would help if I knew that you and I think exactly the same way.

If this is true, then when I decide to Give, I know you will Give too.

5Pentashagon
Also, if we just know how each other thinks (we don't have to think the same) and I can show for sure that you will Give to me if I Give to you and that you will Take from me if I Take from you, then I will Give to you.
Roxolan00

That was a clever hypothesis when there was just the one experiment. The hypothesis doesn't hold after this thread though, unless you postulate a conspiracy willing to lie a lot.

0chaosmage
I don't need to postulate a conspiracy. If I simply postulate SoundLogic is incompetent as a gatekeeper, the "Eliezer cheated" hypothesis looks pretty good right now.
Roxolan20

The number of people actually playing this game is quite small, and the number of winning AIs is even smaller (to the point where Tuxedage can charge $750 a round and isn't immediately flooded with competitors). And secrecy is considered part of the game's standard rules. So it is not obvious that AI win logs will eventually be released anyway.

1ChristianKl
A round seems to need the 2 hours on the chat but also many hours in background research. If we say 8 hours background research and script writing that would equal $75/hour. I think that most people with advanced persuasion skills can make a higher hourly rate.
Roxolan120

Pascal's wager: If you don't do what God says, you will go to Hell where you will be in a lot of pain until the end of time. Now, maybe God is not real, but can you really take that chance? Doing what God says isn't even that much work.

Pascal's mugging: I tell you "if you don't do what I say, something very bad will happen to you." Very bad things are probably lies, but you can't be sure. And when they get a lot worse, they only sound a little bit more like lies. So whatever I asked you to do, I can always make up a story so bad that it's safer to give in.

6RRand
(With slightly more fidelity to Mr. Pascal's formulation:) You have nothing to lose. You have much to get. God can give you a lot. There might be no God. But a chance to get something is better than no chance at all. So go for it.
Roxolan20

That's not a promise. It's not even agreement.

Besides, Dumbledore could have made him promise more explicitly off-screen and this is just Moody doing the same independently or reiterating it.

This is quite possible. However, it does not sound like Moody's reiterating. And I find it improbable that Dumbledore included the "don't touch a pen" clause (that's more Moody's style), but no other clause, and then Moody independently, coincidentally added that clause and no other clause.

2hirvinen
A: ". [] Do you understand?" B: "I understand." I claim that in normal human communication that type of exchange is viewed as B accepting what A says, unless B somehow signals explicit disagreement. Then, if B knows this, and assumes that A thinks likes this, and only explicitly affirms understanding while withholding knowledge of their disagreement, B is at the very least deceiving A. Of course Moody should know to be more paranoid in what he forbids Harry from doing. Especially with him having witnessed Harry showing cunning and paranoia on a level he finds promising.
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