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Thanks! I knew people had essentially devised these ideas before (and if they had instantly worked we would have solved FAI already), but think there is something to be gained via a reinterpretation of the ideas in the RRM. For example, if the human value function derives from discoverable symmetries of neural structure and external environment, then we can do the work to discover these and directly impose them in the agent architecture. And I think the statement I just made is not trivially equivalent to telling people “find human rewards and put them in ... (read more)

Ah, sorry: the way I used it in the paper, it's my own coinage, meant to evoke the traditional usage. When I say there a large "mathematical body of work," I mean abstract algebra for symmetry, classical machine learning for the usual meaning of "regularizer," and indirectly the work on complex systems theory, attractor theory, control theory, etc. I created my own meaning of the word "regularizer" because I have a philosophical intuition that the concept in traditional machine learning is generalizable, perhaps by someth... (read more)

1Charlie Steiner
Sure, just my quick reactions: FAI via golden rule: Done right, this would end up looking like Inverse Reinforcement Learning, which we can't make work because it doesn't learn values we would be happy optimizing, only some values that would cause them to act as they do in the current context. I think there's just no way to avoid the hard work of figuring out, ourselves, a good way for the AI to learn human values. This is definitely something people have thought about in the past and are still thinking about, to try and get it to work. FAI via multuple competing agents: One agent will probably find a loophole and then the whole scheme had no effect. If your scheme really works, it should work even better with just one agent. Whitelisting: either produces a dumb agent, too computationally difficult. May require solving the difficult problems in order to generate the whitelist. Evolution: Will produce AIs that do the equivalent of using condoms - they don't want what evolution wants, it merely correlated in the ancestral environment. Fragility/robustness: Helps maintain value alignment once you have it, but doesn't help get there in the first place.

I sort of agree with your criticism: I wish I had more time to clarify my approach, and make it more mathematically precise, but I only decided at the last minute to even try to submit to the alignment competition. So I was scrambling to take down a minimal version of the idea. The call for the prize lists "philosophical" as one possible type of entry, so I kept everything verbal, trying to be just precise enough to point the way to a true formalization.

I do understand the problem of grasping slippery things as pointed out in the linked less wron... (read more)

1Charlie Steiner
I'm not familiar with the use of "regularizer" in your sense in any other context. Could you point out some examples? A naive google search is overwhelmed by the typical machine learning / statistical modeling meaning.

I emailed my submission, but for the sake of redundancy, I'll submit it here too:

"The Regularizing-Reducing Model"

https://www.lesserwrong.com/posts/36umH9qtfwoQkkLTp/the-regularizing-reducing-model