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Schizo00

I noticed that as well. Subtle indeed.

Schizo10

The obvious choices, like Pepsi over Coke, will take very little time.

I think you made a typo there? Coke over Pepsi.

; )

2A1987dM
I can barely tell them apart if I drink them one after another; if I were to drink one of them without the flavour of the other in my short-term memory I'm not even sure I could tell which one it is much better than chance.

In my recollection of just about any place I have eaten in the UK, there is no choice. They only ever have one cola or the other. Is this different in other parts of the world?

Schizo00

Virge's point seems particularly important, and hopefully Eliezer can address it.

Schizo00

Reminds me of this puzzle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_knowledge_%28logic%29#Example). In fact, just read the whole page, it's good stuff, and mentions Pinker.

Schizo00

This is why it's always seemed to silly to me to try to axiomitize logic. Either you already "implement" logic, in which case it's unneccessary, or you don't, in which case you're a rock and there's no point in dealing with you.

I think this also has deeper implications for the philosophy of math -- the desire to fully axiomitize is still deeply ingrained despite Goedel, but in some ways this seems like a more fundamental challenge. You can write down as many rules as you want for string manipulation, but the realization of those rules in actual manipulation remains ineffable on paper.

3Kenny
I wouldn't describe any typical human mind as implementing logic. Even those that are logical don't seem to think that way naturally or innately. But particular human minds have had much success thinking with 'axiomitized' logic.
9Luke_A_Somers
Axiomatizing logic isn't to make us implement logic in the first place! It's to enable us to store and communicate logic.
Schizo00

Jadagul: No, I think what Joseph's saying is that all of the language of free will is inherently in the paradigm of non-real dualism, and that to really make meaningful statements we ultimately have to abandon it.