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seed60

If OP was geniunely curious, she could've looked for evidence beyond her personal feelings (e.g. ran an internet survey) and / or asked Kat privately. What OP did here is called "concern trolling".

2WilliamKiely
I agree that that would be evidence of OP being more curious. I just don't think that given what OP actually did it can be said that she wasn't curious at all.
seed1315

I personally found the memes funny. To address your objection:

Overall, the content she posts feels like engagement bait. It feels like it is trying to convince me of something rather than make me smarter about something. It feels like it is trying to convey feelings at me rather than facts. It feels like it is making me stupider. 

To give an analogy, it feels like PETA content. When I initially went vegan, it wasn’t PETA content that convinced me. It was Brian Tomasik content and videos of grinding male chicks. While it’s true that I am "out of di

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seed43

I like the dress code you propose, it looks so pretty! I was on the fence about going and this post helped me make up my mind. You made it sound more like a real party.

seed50

Hi! I wrote two extensions you suggested: 
- "Emotion highlighter" detecting and highlighting paragraphs with 6 basic emotions
It's very basic API call right now, I'll think about improving it once I see if anyone uses it at all and what improvements they want (more emotions / more precise highlighting / better classification?).
- "Simple English translator" converting all text on a webpage into plain English.

They use your OpenAI API key to analyze all text on a webpage once you click the extension, and OpenAI charges $5.00 / 1M input tokens as of the ti... (read more)

seed82

>> High decouplers will notice that, holding preferences constant, offering people an additional choice cannot make them worse off. People will only take the choice if its better than any of their current options.
This is demonstrably untrue in cases of suicide. 70% of people who survive a suicide attempt do not attempt it again, so their decision to try is probably a bout of temporary madness / irrationality, and not an expression of stable well-considered preference for death over life.

seed10

Long Live the Queen takes about 4 hours. It would take some luck to beat it on the first try, but generally you win by using common sense and training useful skills.

1Dweomite
I haven't played it, but someone disrecommended it to me on the basis that there was no way to know which skills you'd need to survive the scripted events except to have seen the script before.
seed40

What were the most impressive results that were supposedly accomplished? Maybe we should run some experiments to see if they can be reproduced?

6Ruslan Prakapchuk
To name a few: * Special forces squad constructing and learning eidetic visual language tailored to muscular control. One guy "translates" his high knife-throwing skills into it, another one "reads" the description, goes through a short "comprehension" stage with flu-like symptoms, starts throwing knives almost as masterfully as the first guy. * People breezing through Schulte Tables (e.g. https://drafterleo.github.io/schulte/) and similar exercises on hard mode (10x10, 4 colours, counting in different directions for each etc.) * Almost perfectly transferring handwriting skills from a primary hand to a secondary hand in the scope of a single sub-hour meditation. Quick skill acquisition in general. Anecdotally, my psychonetics practice does help me to acquire skills faster but not a magnitude faster in the most cases (hard to measure baseline tho). * Doing a range of normal (including mental) activities under a debilitating dose of ketamine. Anecdotally, my practice improved the navigation of altered states dramatically but I'd not say I'm capable of overcoming physiology much.
seed21

Interesting post and self-improvement advice!

I want to add to that when you're learning a behavior that is new to you, you want to start out in a low-risk setting. You are probably going to make mistakes. For example, when you first try to act high-status and assertive, you may overdo it and come off as aggressive and rude. So you want to start practicing in a safe setting where mistakes won't cost you a job, e.g. anonymously on the internet or with friends. Or if you do write to your boss, have a friend look over the letter. Then move on to more high stak... (read more)

seed*30

I appreciate you writing this post! I was curious about the evidence for lab leak, but was too lazy to investigate on my won.

You point out COVID-19 is the only sarbecovirus with furin cleavage site. But couldn't it have evolved by switching host from some other species? According to Nature, "viruses more often evolve by jumping from one host species to another than by remaining within a particular species."

So the general prevalence of furin cleavage sites seems relevant too. Did anyone look into what that is?

3Roko
I think it is implausible that an unrelated coronavirus with a FCS would magically make itself very genetically similar to existing sarbecoronaviruses. Of course it could make itself phenotypically similar (like whales are to sharks) but the genome would look very different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaTG13#Phylogenetics
seed20

Didn't they demonstrate that transformers could be mesaoptimizers? (I never properly understood the paper, so it's a genuine question.) Uncovering Mesaoptimization Algorithms in Transformers

3[anonymous]
From the paper: It looks like you can analyze transformers, discover the internal patterns that emergently are formed, analyze which ones work the best, and then redesign your network architecture to start with an extra layer that has this pattern already present. Not only is this closer to the human brain, but yes, it's adding a type of internal mesa optimizer.  Doing it deliberately instead of letting one form emergently from the data probably prevents the failure mode AI doomers are worried about, this layer allowing the machine to defect against humans.
seed90

Not to mention that the default result of rebellion is failure. (Figure from https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-future-of-nonviolent-resistance-2/)

seed90

OP doesn't claim that dictators are unchecked in their power, he jokingly claims that dictators and monarchs inevitably end up overthrown. Which is, of course, false: there were ~55 authoritarian leaders in the world in 2015, and 11 of them were 69 years old or older, on their way to die of old age. Dictator's handbook has quite a few examples of dictators ruling until their natural death, too. 
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/10/when-dictators-die/

7Garrett Baker
The claim is that they don’t really control the countries.
seed34

I agree that it's his main point; however, he's also making an observation that most terrorists are incompetent, impulsive, have poor preparation and planning, and choose difficult forms of attacks when better options are available. The post has several anecdotes illustrating that. 

He believes the incompetence is caused by terrorist acting on social incentives instead of optimizing for their stated goals. However, what if some terrorist group has one earnest terrorist, or what if the chatbot provides the social encouragement need to spur a terrorist t... (read more)

seed50

Ok, so LLMs don't give an advantage in bioterrorism planning to a team of RAND researchers. Does it mean they don't give an advantage to actual terrorists, who are notoriously incompetent? https://gwern.net/terrorism-is-not-effective#sn17

4StellaAthena
I think you're misrepresenting Gwern's argument. He's arguing that terrorists are not optimizing for killing the most people. He makes no claims about whether terrorists are scientifically incompetent.
seed30

I think you're zeroing in on the hypothesis that your list had a problem too early. There are many possible reasons to fail college, like having a mental health issue or not being very motivated to succeed in the first place. Do you know that he actually read your list?

In my experience the biggest predictor of teaching success is whether the person asked to be taught)

1Sable
You're completely right - "Luke's" failure to finish college likely had very little to do with me or my list.  I provided the anecdote and framing as a way of motivating the idea I was trying to convey, as well as explain my thought process to arrive at it. Don't worry: "Luke" is doing quite well for himself :)
seed50

If you are leaving relatives or friends behind, consider developing some kind of code language, because people in Russia might be afraid to tell you their real opinions over the phone in plain speech.

seed100

I believe there is nothing wrong or irrational about taking collective action or calling to it. On the contrary, a culture that prohibited collective action has failed at instrumental rationality and is about to be conquered by a culture that didn't. So I am strongly opposed to your first suggested rule.


Yes, I believe we shouldn't get involved in politics if it endangers alignment research efforts or otherwise hurts the community for little gain. But we should take collective actions which carry negligible risks and huge expected benefits. Rationality is about winning. Being divided makes us weak and less likely to win. Let's not do this.

seedΩ040

Will MIRI want to hire programmers once the pandemic is over? What kind of programmers? What other kinds of people do you seek to hire?

8Rob Bensinger
For practical purposes, I'd say the pandemic is already over. MIRI isn't doing much hiring, though it's doing a little. The two big things we feel bottlenecked on are: * (1) people who can generate promising new alignment ideas. (By far the top priority, but seems empirically rare.) * (2) competent executives who are unusually good at understanding the kinds of things MIRI is trying to do, and who can run their own large alignment projects mostly-independently. For 2, I think the best way to get hired by MIRI is to prove your abilities via the Visible Thoughts Project. The post there says a bit more about the kind of skills we're looking for: For 1, I suggest initially posting your research ideas to LessWrong, in line with John Wentworth's advice. New ideas and approaches are desperately needed, and we would consider it crazy to not fund anyone whose ideas or ways-of-thinking-about-the-problem we think have a shred of hope in them. We may fund them via working at MIRI, or via putting them in touch with external funders; the important thing is just that the research happens. If you want to work on alignment but you don't fall under category 1 or 2, you might consider applying to work at Redwood Research (https://www.redwoodresearch.org/jobs), which is a group doing alignment research we like. They're much more hungry for engineers right now than we are.
seed60

I agree that this statement could be understood this way, and I don't find your interpretation objectionable. It also could be understood to mean that Russian POWs say what they say to stop torture, there is no disclaimer against this interpretation. I should probably have interpreted everything in the most charitable way possible, if it was one thing. I am pushing back because several things made me feel paranoid.
Advising Ukrainans to flee while banning commenters from giving any advice to Western powers or discussing morality and justice seemed not neutr... (read more)

jimv240

I don't think the statement implies that Russian POWs would be treated inhumanely.

I think it implies that if Russian POWs are saying things like "we didn't know we were aggressors", you cannot distinguish between whether they are saying that because it is true or the fact that they are saying it because they fear inhumane treatment.

And even in the second case, you may not be able to distinguish between Russian POWs who have correct fears of possible inhumane treatment if they are non-compliant and Russian POWs who have unfounded fears (i.e., the situation ... (read more)

seed30

There is also this isolating effect when the media tells a lie, e.g. denies some true fact X, and most people don't buy it, but they decide "this is what we're all conspiring to tell our enemies". And while you're busy trying to "convince" your opponent that X actually happened, you never get to discuss whether X is the right thing to do.

seed30

Wait, I thought EA already had 46$ billion they didn't know where to spend, so I should prioritize direct work over earning to give? https://80000hours.org/2021/07/effective-altruism-growing/

I thought so too. This comment thread on ACX shattered that assumption of mine. EA institutions should hire people to do "direct work". If there aren't enough qualified people applying for these positions, and EA has 46 billion dollars, then their institutions should (get this) increase the salaries they offer until there are.

To quote EY:

There's this thing called "Ricardo's Law of Comparative Advantage". There's this idea called "professional specialization". There's this notion of "economies of scale". There's this concept of "gains from trade".&nb

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seed120

It seems like the source of your disagreement is that you do not believe turkeys actually suffer (as you write "suffer" in scare quotes), while the OP clearly believes they do. I think this question needs to be settled first before we decide which emotional reactions are reasonable. (I myself have no idea what the answer is.)

5Said Achmiz
Indeed, you characterize my view correctly; but I disagree that this is the source of the disagreement. I do not think the OP’s emotional reaction is reasonable in either case.
Answer by seed20

Radical actions. The word "radical" means someone trying to find and eliminate root causes of social problems, rather than just their symptoms. Many people pursue radical goals through peaceful means (spreading ideas, starting a commune, attending a peaceful protest or boycotting would be examples), yet "radical act" is commonly used as a synonym to "violent act".

Extremism. Means having views far outside the mainstream attitude of society. But also carries a strong negative connotation, in some countries is prohibited by law and mentioned alongside "terror... (read more)

seed10

What the heck did I do wrong, why are you downvoting me, guys?

3gjm
I suspect that either (1) someone misclicked or (2) someone unscrupulous took a dislike to something else you wrote and decided to downvotes lots of your comments. If it's just this one, it's probably #1. If you suddenly lost a lot of karma, it's probably #2. That sort of bulk-downvoting is not supposed to be a thing that happens here, but sometimes people do it (in my experience, usually for political reasons; they've decided that some other person is The Enemy and must be punished and their voice suppressed); if you have good reason to suspect it's happened, you might consider contacting the site admins. [EDITED to add: I (weak-)upvoted seed's answer even though I do not live in Berlin, because I can think of no reason why it should have been downvoted.]
Answer by seed60

Berlin.

1Visa Ray
In my opinion Malta is the best country to live in because it shares no land border with any other country and has always been peaceful, have no conflict with any other country, high standard of living, better educational facilities than most of the developing countries.
1seed
What the heck did I do wrong, why are you downvoting me, guys?
seed10

Are you saying that MIRI enforces altruism in their employees? If so, how do they do that, exactly?

2jessicata
In the linked thread there was a discussion of standard security practices; Zack pointed out that these are generally for making people act against their interests, but this was not considered a sufficient objection to some in the thread, who thought that researchers acting against their own interests could build FAI.
seed10

Scott Aaronson, for example, blogs about "blank faced" non-self-explaining authoritarian bureaucrats being a constant problem in academia.  Venkatesh Rao writes about the corporate world, and the picture presented is one of a simulation constantly maintained thorough improv.

Well, I once met a person in academia who was convinced she'd be utterly bored anywhere outside academia. 

If you want an unbiased perspective on what life is like outside the rationality community, you should talk to people not associated with the rationality community. (Yes, ... (read more)

seed40

How do you know it's useful though? Did you apply the advice? Did it help?

seed120

>> Sometimes I try to tell the people what I can see, and that doesn't always go well. I'm not sure why.
Can you describe a concrete example? Without looking at a few examples, it is hard to tell if a "context-free integrity" fallacy is to blame, or you are just making bad arguments, or something.
 

seed10

One benefit is that you can do calisthenics everywhere (even in prison), no need for special equipment.

seed20

What's to stop the prosecutor from lying about their Briers score?

2ChristianKl
It would be a legal obligation for a prosecutor when making a charge to publically enter the charge along with the likelihood into a database. Making errors with filing charges will be problematic for the prosecutor the same way it's problematic now, it can make a court throw out the charges on procedural grounds.  Then when an election comes around the election commission has the job to calculate the Briers score to put it on the ballot. The job of administrating the database could be done be done by the court where the charges get filled, so that it's outside of the realm that the prosecutor can influence.
1uncomputable
If upfront assessments are provided, I expect the defense bar would gleefully keep track of such things. They already informally track the behavior of the DA's offices they deal with. They're extremely organized in some areas and in near-constant communication with one another.
seed30

We have exercised our innovative technique of meta-honesty to successfully dupe some computer programmers into thinking we want their participation.

seed40

I actually thought Ty was a real person. :)

6spencerg
Ty IS a real person! (used with permission, but Ty is not their name)
seed10

And Y/2 pain, probably? (Or the conclusion doesn't follow.)

2Mati_Roy
Oops, right!
2Mati_Roy
Ahhh, yep, thanks
seed10

How do you measure intelligence though? Obviously you don't mean IQ, since IQ test scores are deliberately calibrated to be normally distributed.

Generally, I feel like all these bold claims need some supporting evidence. E.g.

Increased information makes smart people smarter and stupid people stupider.

Citation needed?

seed40

I totally agree that it's useful to hang out with a diverse set of people.

It also helps to treat people's opinion of you as an instrumental goal. Every time I'm worried what someone thinks of me, I ask myself if this person's opinion is important, and why - can they hurt me or help me in any way? Sometimes the answer is yes, e.g. I want to impress employers, or I need voters to like me if I'm doing politics. Often, though, the answer is that the person is not going to affect my life in any way, and so their opinion doesn't matter. People's opinions may als... (read more)

seed20

Is starting capital really a bottleneck for entrepreneurs? Don't you just get money from investors? 
Elon Musk and Bill Gates only needed a laptop to start their business. Or, from Warren Buffet's biography: "In 1945, as a high school sophomore, Buffett and a friend spent $25 to purchase a used pinball machine, which they placed in the local barber shop. Within months, they owned several machines in three different barber shops across Omaha. They sold the business later in the year for $1,200 to a war veteran. ... In high school, he invested in a busin... (read more)

seed20

Were long-standing research problems actually ever presented at IMO? AFAIK, problems featured there already have solutions.

seed20

I feel like I'm missing context. Why did this community come to care about blackmail laws in the first place?

2Ben Pace
Because Robin thought it was a 'checkmate' case that blackmail was good and should be legal.  How exactly Robin comes up with his weird ideas is a mystery that scholars have written many dozens of books theorizing about, but we have learned to rule him in as a thinker who comes up with excellent ideas, and engage with them substantively even if they seem obviously wrong (as was true for Zvi in this instance).
seed150

I'm so confused. How did Luna survive the Killing Curse?

Measure130

Same way she avoided getting stunned in her duels.

Perhaps345

I think Wanda was in front of her, so she got hit, and Luna pretended to die.

seed50

Great observation! I was struggling with the same issue when I moved from studying math to graduate ML research. Depth-first search is the right approach to reading a math textbook. Say, you started to learn homology theory and realized you don't know what's an Abelian group. You should stop and go read about Abelian groups, or you won't understand what comes next. 

However, the same approach was getting me in trouble when trying to understand state-of-the-art in voice processing. I would start reading an article in the morning, and by the evening I'd ... (read more)

2MSRayne
That's a great point! I never explicitly thought of it like that but it's clearly true now that you mention it. And not just math - nearly any scientific writing has the same quality where lack of knowledge about one idea or principle ruins your ability to understand any of it - these are examples of those "complex machines" which break if any part doesn't work. A friend of mine mentioned that reading Wikipedia tends to be like your second example - going depth-first (chasing links) instead of breadth-first when trying to learn about a topic. You end up with a hundred tabs and no smarter than you were before. That's another failure mode where a breadth-first method like your note taking system presents advantages.
seed10

Do you know anyone who wants such a forum?

1MikkW
Not really
seed20

Cheers to simon, ericf and myself, for offering an optimal solution! And cheers to abstractapplic for organizing the challenge.

The leaderboard (if you're not here, I couldn't figure out what your final decision was, or you added more than 10 points):

simon, ericf 0.9375 

[('CHA', 8), ('CON', 15), ('DEX', 13), ('INT', 13), ('STR', 8), ('WIS', 15)]

seed 0.9375 

[('CHA', 8), ('CON', 14), ('DEX', 13), ('INT', 13), ('STR', 8), ('WIS', 16)]

Samuel Clamons 0.8095 

[('CHA', 8), ('CON', 17), ('DEX', 13), ('INT', 13), ('STR', 7), ('WIS', 14)]

Asgard 0.7857&n... (read more)

seed10

I wonder if it has something to do with age-related hearing loss. I remember when I was a teen, rock music sounded like antimelodic screeching to me too, but I listened because my friends liked it, and I liked the lyrics. Now the same songs sound like legit music to me. Maybe it's because our hearing range shrinks with age, so the high-pitched sounds become quieter and the song doesn't sound like screeching anymore.

2Raemon
This seems like the opposite of what my stereotypes imply (that teens are more likely to like things that sound like "not-music" to their parents). 
seed10

CHA+4, STR+2, WIS+4 

seed20

Is it a secret / part of the puzzle, where this data came from?

2abstractapplic
I generated the dataset. The rules I used to do so will be provided on Saturday, so everyone can see how close they got to the truth.
seed*20

Do adventurers gain additional status points during their Great Quest, and if yes, are these stats measured at the beginning or at the end of their quest?

Is this data from some real Dungeons and Dragons game results?

3abstractapplic
No to both questions.
seed70

This was very funny and the best HPMOR continuation I've read so far.

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