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Honestly, I'd like to practice on one.

intelligent people who don't have a token for your autonomy

Actually, I originally just said that one term of my utility function can be represented without a token for women's autonomy. The utility function as a whole definitely includes terms for the concerns of every human being.

But I hope you understand why, in some conversations, it would be natural for me to objectify women.

1SoullessAutomaton
I hope you understand that the issue is not what is natural, but what is ethical.

My objection would be to making a decision that I wouldn't make if I had better information. It's not about the fact that their utility function doesn't have a token for my autonomy.

9SoullessAutomaton
And if you spend a lot of time being influenced by intelligent people who don't have a token for your autonomy, you'll be making a lot of decisions you wouldn't have made with better information and objectivity. "Not causing people to make choices they will regret" is a pretty simple ethical principle.

I would like help reducing the incidence of:

  • Comments and posts that casually objectify women or encourage the objectification of women. "Objectification" is what happens when a person is treated or discussed as an object, not as an autonomous being.

I believe that, to a first approximation, one factor of my utility function can be represented without a token for the woman's autonomy. Or, if this cannot accurately be said of my utility function, it can be said about world states of high instrumental value.

I believe it's in my best interest to fuck.

0JulianMorrison
For this, we will have sexbots.
2SoullessAutomaton
Do you object when other people use manipulative or coercive techniques on you, to maximize their own utility function without regard for your autonomy?
3dclayh
Related: I'm glad that Alicorn included the word "casually". I myself object strongly to the idea that objectification is an evil per se, but the idea is common one, going back through Kant, the Scholastics etc. etc., and deserving (I think) of at least a second thought's worth of respect.