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velcro11

I absolutely agree that children should be exposed to interesting people and environments, be self-directed, be tutored, and have apprenticeships.

But given that thousands of people had these experiences contemporaneously with geniuses, and only dozens are geniuses, I think the genetics are the secret sauce.

Also, genetic geniuses with non-exceptional experiences may have been just as much a genius as the famous ones, but did not have a chance to become famous, so again the experiences help with the fame, not necessarily the base characteristic of genius.

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velcro30

I loved this!
But I have a compulsion to point out that Cyprus is on the same end of the Mediterranean as Cairo.

velcro30

Given the horrifically inefficient way we are using our current idea-creating resources (people), it seems a much better investment to improve our efficiency, rather than creating more underutilized resources at great expense.

velcro150

I see some basic flaws in the sleep-exercise and sleep-food analogies.

There are reasonably well-understood physiological mechanisms showing how slight overuse of muscles starts a process of strengthening those muscles.  I did not see any proposed mechanism for less sleep reducing your need for sleep.  (If I missed it, please let me know).  While it is true of lots of inputs (food, oxygen) I do not think it is defensible to arbitrarily generalize the idea that reduction of any input allows you to function with less of that input.

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1someflowLT
This was my thought as well. The problem with candy being a superstimulus is that each time I walk past it in the kitchen I have to exercise willpower to not eat it.  While I'm asleep, the reason that I remain asleep is certainly not because I'm somehow giving in to temptation.  So the analogy doesn't work for me.   I do agree w/ Guzey that "sleepiness, like hunger, is normal".  If I'm not feeling tired I stay up.   If anything, the same analogy applied to my personal experience would tell me that ~7 hours of sleep IS normal.  For me the analogy looks like:  I only eat when I'm hungry; I eat until I'm satisfied.  I'm healthy and not gaining weight.  I only sleep when I'm tired; I sleep until I'm rested.  I sleep 7-8 hours on average and am happy with my energy levels.  
7DirectedEvolution
I think the right conclusion is that you sleep when your body compels sleep, and that your body has a greater ability to compel sleep than it has to compel eating. You have identified your body's needs with its ability to compel your acquiescence. This is plausible: we might expect that evolution would equip us with urges in proportion to their importance for survival and reproduction. But we also know that we're subject to a wide array of dysfunctional compulsions, including drugs, gambling, and anger management problems. Furthermore, some strong urges serve purposes that aren't apparent. If you spontaneously start to vomit because of something you ate 6-24 hours earlier, you won't immediately know which food item triggered the vomiting. Moreover, the vomiting itself is not "what your body needs." Intead, it's the clearance of the toxin. A person with a chronic vomiting problem, or let's say migraine headaches, doesn't tend to interpret the strong urges to puke or avoid light as "what their body needs," but as a symptom of a health disorder. This isn't to say that the need to sleep is the symptom of a health disorder. Instead, it's to say that we have a pretty hazy notion of where to put the dividing line between urges and needs, or healthy/enjoyable/excessive/dysfunctional sleep. At least one book has been written seriously arguing for responsible heroin use. As far as I'm concerned, you can put the dividing line for your own sleep wherever it seems right to you. But if we're talking about the scientific study of sleep, as Guzey and Matthew Walker are, it's no longer epistemically permissible to base that decision on one's personal opinion. Why might we care to go beyond personal opinion? Consider the analogy of scurvy. A sailor with scurvy doesn't feel any strong urge to eat Vitamin C pills or suck on a lemon. But it's a very particular vitamin deficiency they're experiencing, and it's the careful study of why lemons and liver prevent and cure scurvy that al
2ChristianKl
We lack a good idea of why the need for sleep exists in the first place.  If we sleep because there was little to do 100,000 years ago when it's dark outside and we want to reserve energy, it makes sense to modulate to have a mechanism that modulates the amount of sleep so that people sleep more when it's dark outside for longer. That's not true. Humans are capable to set intentions to wake up at certain times and wake up at that time. You might personally not have conscious access to the underlying processes the same way you can avoid eating but that doesn't mean that they aren't there.
velcro10

In equatorial Africa, I assume it is quite dark for 10-11 hours every single night where there is no moon.

velcro40

Generally interesting, but I have a quibble with this:

In the text here, you say

>>Walker outright fakes data to support his “sleep epidemic” argument. The data on sleep duration Walker presents on the graph below simply does not exist:

I went to your link to see the proof that it does not exist.  Pretty extraordinary claim.  Difficult to prove a negative and all.  Figured I would find something solid.  Other than two studies with evidence that contradicts Walker's general claim with a few specific examples, here's what you had:

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You can check this out for yourself. Search PubMed or Google Scholar for "sleep deprivation cancer risk." Plenty of studies come up, but the vast majority find little-no link. The biggest hazard ratio I could find was 1.6, which is not a doubled cancer risk. Note also that Walker has actually retracted his "WHO has declared a sleep epidemic claim," so we have a concrete example of the guy making stuff up.

3guzey
Yep 1. He didn't have a source in the book. 2. Multiple people asked him for a source and he never provided one 3. The dad is INCREDIBLY divergent from all other data we have. Literally all other data people sleep around 7 hours maybe more maybe less while his data shows almost 9 hours of sleep on average. Given these three, and the fact that he did literally alter a graph in one other place in the book, I'm pretty sure he just faked this data. If you manage to find the source, I'll edit the posts and will apologize to Walker.
velcro50

Could you (or others) provide one or two particularly egregious examples where "Governments Most Places Are Lying Liars With No Ability To Plan or Physically Reason. They Can’t Even Stop Interfering and Killing People"?  Maybe just one or two weekly posts to look at?

Clearly these organizations made mistakes, some significant.  I think even if 50% of their decisions were mistakes, the wording here is not really supported. You claim these organizations "Can't Stop Killing People"  Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.

Other than that, great post.

These are a couple posts I came up with in a quick search, so not necessarily the best examples:

Covid 9/23: There Is a War

"The FDA, having observed and accepted conclusive evidence that booster shots are highly effective, has rejected allowing people to get those booster shots unless they are over the age of 65, are immunocompromised or high risk, or are willing to lie on a form. The CDC will probably concur.  I think we all know what this means. It means war! ..."

Covid 11/18: Paxlovid Remains Illegal

"It seems to continue to be the official position t

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velcro-10

I apologize if this is explained somewhere, but I have a question about this statement;

The key takeaway is that a 1% chance of having COVID, which is about the base rate of COVID in the US, costs older relatives a few days of life if you pass it on to them.

Is that an average loss of life over a large population of people exposed?

So in an oversimplified example, if the only effect of the behavior is 1 in 1000 older relatives would die 1000 days earlier than they would otherwise, the average loss is one day of life?

If that is the meaning, I am not sure I fin... (read more)

1frankybegs
This seems like a pretty paradigmatic case of scope insensitivity.
velcro00

Overall, I found this very informative.  One quibble:

Shorter hours, cleaner and safer factories, and the end of child labor are luxuries that could only happen after an increase in per-capita wealth. 

The per-capita wealth is at least one level removed as a cause.  The actual cause is increased profit for the factory that can be turned in to those benefits.  Do you have any evidence that early unsafe factories had insufficient profit for that to happen?  Is it safer to assume that the owners felt no pressure to give up their generous profits for the benefit of worker safety?

5jasoncrawford
To be clear, you're quoting a sentence from a paragraph that I described as “one possible narrative”, in a section where I described two opposing narratives and then explored which aspects of each seemed to be supported by this story. I do think that safety measures could have begun earlier. See my reply to jpsmith: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DQKgYhEYP86PLW7tZ/how-factories-were-made-safe?commentId=wAPgdiJNHsYewmrzi
velcro40

Regarding sports - I agree that physical activity is critical to wellbeing. I agree that team sports are a good way to build community.  But the non-physical benefits of sport are the lessons in perseverance, sharing, cooperation, humility, etc.  They are not intrinsic to the sport, but I agree sport can be a good vehicle for learning them, so they can be a net good. But there are other activities that teach the same lessons, and at the end of the day you have something more than a score.  Think Eagle Scout projects, hackathons, or Habitat f... (read more)

velcro20

I was thinking the same thing about retro, but it seems to have connotations of recent past, i.e. living memory.  Hundreds or thousands of years ago is not "retro", IMHO.

velcro30

It’s almost impossible to predict the future. But it’s also unnecessary, because most people are living in the past. All you have to do is see the present before everyone else does.

To be fair, it is still necessary to model/predict the future to make good decisions that have consequences in the future.  As this post says, your prediction will be better than others if your data is more up-to-date and from better sources.

 

3jasoncrawford
Yeah, it was a pithy tweet-length opener. To be precise, it's unnecessary to have a perfect model of the future / predict it with anything near 100% accuracy, or to have any appreciable degree of accuracy on the long-term future.
velcro60

One of my favorite stories.  I am rereading it after reading many of the sequences, and am getting a lot more out of it.

I also read the comments, and wanted to add to the non-consensual sex discussion.  (Obvious but necessary disclaimer, I am opposed to rape in any form)

I think I understand the purpose, i.e. show how future societies might accept things we find repulsive.  I think the example the author chose is problematic.

Many things we do now that were offensive to past generations seem to fall in the category of allowing more rights for ... (read more)

velcro260

There is a lot of good information here, but unfortunately a lot of hyperbole, and a lack of sources to allow us to check your numbers.

First, the headline, which conveys emphatic certainty. Contrast that with the body, which says 

"all signs point to it being about 65% more infectious than the old one, albeit with large uncertainty and error bars around that. " 

 "I give it a 70% chance that these reports are largely correct." 

(Bolding mine)

Next:

The media told us it was nothing to worry about, right up until hospitals got overwhelmed and

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2henryaj
The UK had a national lockdown in November, and lifted it at the start of December.
1Charbel-Raphaël
upvoted. But ln(370/20)/ln(2) = 4.2. This means that the new strain doubled 4 times between September and mid-November, suggesting a typical doubling time of just over two weeks. This is approximately what is observed at the end of December. But indeed, I don't understand why the number of infected people suddenly decreases at the end of November. An explanation would be helpful. Where can we find the source saying that there were about 20 cases of new strains in September?
velcro00

I'll b honest, I almost stopped reading when the you said "Throughout March, the CDC was telling people not to wear masks and not to get tested unless displaying symptoms." as an example of how they got it wrong.

The reality is they did not encourage people to buy masks initially, because the very credible concern was that the public would hoard masks that were in short supply for people who absolutely needed them immediately. As soon as supplies were available, they recommended getting them for the public.

And similarly, the shortage of testing drove the ve... (read more)

velcro120

One reason for the lack of celebration may be our increased awareness of negative effects. When the railroad was completed, or the bridge built, nobody worried about the environmental costs.

Another reason is "low-hanging fruit". Speeding up the time to get from New York to San Francisco from 6 months to 6 days required a steam engine and a lot of steel. Speeding it up to 6 hours took heavier-than-air flight and jet engines. Going from 6 hours to 6 minutes will take a lot more work.

The internet is a big deal, but as mentioned elsewhere, it is not a singular event. Nobody had a ticker-tape parade when libraries were invented, or when they reached a certain percentage of towns.

velcro120

Do you have sources for that? From what I can tell, China had 1000 executions to 22 in the US in 2019. Also life expectancy and suicide rate seems to be worse in China, not better. I didn't check the others.

2Richard_Kennaway
Two days and no reply from "Godfree Roberts". He's likely just a drive-by shill for China.
velcro40
The WHO has lied repeatedly, to our face, about facts vital to our safeguarding our health and the health of those around us. They continue to do so. It’s not different from their normal procedures.
The FDA has interfered constantly with our ability to have medical equipment, to test for the virus, and to create a vaccine.
Almost all government officials in America, and most other countries (I won’t get into which ones are the exceptions) have done the same. They’ve joined in lying about everything.

Would you be willing to provide exam... (read more)

7Benquo
https://twitter.com/nabeelqu/status/1270388712103464960 https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1242648040520876034
velcro30

It seems like the stability point of a lot of systems is Moloch-like. (Monopolies, race to the bottom, tragedy of the commons, dictatorships, etc.) It requires energy to keep the systems out of those stability points.

Lots of people need to make lots of sacrifices to keep us out of Moloch states. It is not accidents. It is revolutions, and voter registration, and volunteering and standing up to bullies. It is paying extra for fair trade coffee and protesting for democracy in Hong Kong.

Moloch has a huge advantage. If we do nothing, it will always win. We need to remember that.

velcro50

I really love this story, and what you are doing, but I have a few disagreements with what is presented.
Maybe this is just Harry, and not what you are trying to convey, but I do want to counter some of the points made.

Death, right now, is inevitable.

Until we conquer it, we should not fear it. As with all things inevitable, there is value, and wisdom, in trying to derive meaning from it. Right now, simply opposing death, fearing it, and hating it will make our lives worse, not better.

Should we strive for immortality? Maybe. Is it irrational to think th... (read more)

6Nat Tardis
I don't think love is a consequence of wisdom at all. Love and wisdom are two completely separate things. Love is a chemical reaction in the brain that supports reproduction and the protection of your offspring. Wisdom does not cause it at all. Any fool can love as strongly as the wisest man alive. I do agree that death is not something to be feared, in the current state of affairs. It is still inevitable, and to fear the inevitable is foolish. Avoidable death should be feared, but death from old age shouldn't. As for how immortality would turn out, that's an interesting question. I wouldn't exactly rule out the possibility that some people would eventually voluntarily relinquish their immortality, but I can't think of any reason why anyone would. In a culture where natural death isn't a thing anymore, would anyone really ever consider that they've "done everything", are "ready to go" ? There's always more to do, more knowledge to assimilate, more questions to answer, more places to explore, more boundaries to challenge. And even then, that's a final choice. One that you cannot go back on. That is really scary, and that's a lot you'd be giving up. You'd potentially be giving up infinity. The more reasonable choice would be putting your consciousness on pause and getting revived a few thousand years later.
velcro40

The killer instinct reminds me a bit of Ender.

2velcro
I was binge-reading for a bit, just realized the "enemy's gate" header was for this chapter. Nice reference.
velcro20

I was binge-reading for a bit, just realized the "enemy's gate" header was for this chapter. Nice reference.