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Done. Though I feel guilty about skipping a few of the more involved questions.

I overlooked a "no hug" sign myself, even though I'm an organiser and had a part in choosing them. I agree that they need to be more visually distinct and we will improve that next time.

5Viliam_Bur
For the record, I think the tags are a super-awesome idea! And I hope the next iterations will be even better. I realize this is not a fair comparison, but in the friendly environment during the weekend, I was thinking about the "Elevatorgate" I read about online, and it seemed to me like a huge cultural contrast. Like a strong evidence that rationalists sometimes do win big in real life. I mean, if the tags would be fully respected (which unfortunately they were not, but I have a hope for the future), we would have a solution for avoiding some unwanted interactions, other than the suboptimal "better play it safe and avoid doing anything that might hypothetically offend someone (unless you have high enough status to protect you from a potential damage)". Because some people don't want to be hugged, but other people do, and while respecting the former is the basic decency, it would be great to also provide better options for the latter, as long as these goals are not in contradiction. Speaking for myself, I am not good at reading body language of other people, but it also seems to me that other people are not good at reading my signals. (Maybe the abilities to "read" and to "speak" the body language are related. Is there a research for this? Or maybe there are actually multiple languages, so the speakers of the majority language get most success.) So I prefer using words, instead of relying on an unreliable channel. I also think that some people are genuinely good at reading body language, but there are many who merely overestimate their own ability. Unfortunately, verbal asking can sometimes also be considered offensive. (In the environment that created "Elevatorgate", how long could you walk around asking people whether it's okay to hug them, until someone would write a similar blog about you? Maybe I overestimate the risk, but I would rather play safe than risk becoming a global archetype of creepiness.) And because we are not good enough at reading other people

As spaced repetition and flashcards are a technique and tool respectively it is (to me) obvious that they are useful for certain kinds of circumstances. Flashcards really are useful only when you want to associate 2 things to each other (for example a word and its translation) and might not be the best way to build an organized knowledge of a subject. Because of that I wouldn't use them for that purpose in any case.

Thank you for pointing out an area where they fail, that was useful information.

A question to the community: Do you really believe as much in spaced repetition/Anki as the post suggests?

0ancientcampus
Excellent question; I'd like to know too.
0ChristianKl
That like saying that computer are only useful when you want to add 0's and 1's. There's Turing completion for computers. In a similar way you can break most knowledge down to atomic units. Often that means that you have to think about the knowledge in a more detailed way. If I remember right something like 12% use it. On the other hand more than 12% did use it but don't anymore. On the other hand those people who speak about Anki, are the people who believe in it. However while I do believe in it I think there's a huge room for improvement through things like automatic creation of Ven diagrams based cards.
2hamnox
I believe it's really effective when used effectively. I also think it's really damned hard to use effectively. There's a lot of cards I have queued to fix or delete because I didn't formulate them well enough.
-2gjm
Dunno. Love, The Community.

There are a lot of good suggestions in the comments already. I'd like to emphasize immersion (films, audio books etc.) and especially lots of practice talking (!). Try to find as many possible ways to increase your talking time in the target language. E.g. by talking over skype, seeking out a local Hebrew club or whatever.

Also I'd like to point to http://www.fluentin3months.com/ because Benny (the blogger) has a lot of good tips for language learning.

Thanks for clearing that up. That was my guess, I was just confused that it suddenly popped up without me ever having heard about it. Is it popular/well-known? When I googled it, there were no hits for an explanation.

0Thecommexokid
While there have been many attempts at a set of such pronouns and none ever became standard, this is the set I see by far most commonly. Several non-gender-binary-identifying people I know use ze/zir/zirs as their preferred pronouns. They definitely crop up in many more places than just here and SlateStarCodex, as someone else replied, but it tends to be mostly in communities that have a particular focus on gender identity.
5fubarobfusco
For more explanation, see Wikipedia.
4Creutzer
I don't know, I've only ever seen it here and on Yvain's blog. Ironically, it doesn't really work for me as far as disrupting intuitive connections and depictions is concerned because it sounds pretty much like the German third person singular feminine pronoun. ;-)

I have a (kind of) meta question: What's up with the "zir" and "zirself" in the text? I've never heard/read that word before and from context I'd infer that it should be "their" and "themselves". Would you clear that up?

0[anonymous]
When I see a word I've never seen before, I google it. Here you go.
8Creutzer
"ze/zir/zirself" is an artificial gender-neutral third person singular pronoun.

I don't think it was meant as a distinction but as a description of a mental process that might not be exactly the same for everyone. So the dichotomy is between say/hear on the one side and not say/hear on the other.

For posts I use the vote as an indication of what the LW-consensus of this post is. So if the title is not that promising and the score is low I often don't read it. If I do read it though, I try to account for the "bias" of the up-/ downvote and make an effort to find an independent evaluation. So I don't really think it's an issue.

The more stories I hear of other LessWrongers' life stories (and taking my own into consideration) the more I realise how one of our defining traits is our inability and/or unwillingness to compartmentalize on important ideas.

3Error
That's one of the traits that makes me feel at home here.
7A1987dM
Relevant classic LW post

I have to disagree a bit on the communism part. One of the ways that it went wrong, that it ended in Totalitarianism, was due to how it was implemented and foreseeable to a certain extent. All it really tells us is that we have to take human nature into account when designing a society for humans, not that we shouldn't try out powerful ideas.

I have to agree with Kawoomba. It would be totally awesome to try and puzzle out the reasons that you have for your ideas with just the ideas given. An hour of your time (to write a post) could prompt people to change their minds on how society should be optimized and that is an opportunity that you shouldn't miss. Also, changing the way society works is one of my pet peeves.

Fair point. It is not (yet) a big convention though, so I think the timescale is ok. It's more about trying to gather the people that are most interested in starting a European community and getting something going that we can build upon.

Wait, what? It's happening on the 11th of April, that's another 2.5 months?!

0Paul Crowley
Much more notice is usual for conventions. If I search for 2016 conventions it's all about DNC/RNC, but searching for 2017 finds this. It's easier to plan your diary and get cheap air fares given enough notice. I have one free weekend before May.

I guess we could just add most of the "Prince of Nothing" and the "The Aspect-Emperor" Series by Scott R. Bakker to the LessWrong quotes ;-) By the way, is there a reading list that we can add them to?

1Nornagest
The most recent reading list, as such, that I know of is XiXiDu's, and it's quite old (though still fairly comprehensive) and no longer being updated. Its fiction section is also fairly light. Your best bet might be adding a review in one of the monthly media threads, the most recent of which is here.

Ok, had a go on it as well. And what format do you want?

1Rick_from_Castify
We can handle anything for the application but do most of our work with mp3 files.

What do you disagree strongly with? My speculation that you would need fewer people to control them? I'm not sure about that so if you can bring in a good argument you can change my view on that.

Terrorists are not our problem (in general and in this specific state). Terrorists with nukes cannot feasably control a country with them.

I am talking about people that have easy access to drones and want to control a country with them. Traditional totalitarian techniques plus drones is what I am really worried about, not terrorists.

So I admit that with "a few... (read more)

0ikrase
I think a rogue state with drones is about as dangerous as a rogue state with a well-equipped army. (note: all of this pretty much assumes something like the next ten to fifty years of physical tech, and that drone AIs are very focused. If AI supertech or extremely tiny deadly drones come into it, it gets much worse.) I think that drone armies compared to human armies are better for short-term slavish loyalty (including cases where the chain of command is broken). However, unless they are controlled by a stable, central entity (such as the case where a tyrant uses a drone army to suppress rebellion) with all the infrastructure then maintenance and a wide variety of other issues start to become a big problem. You might get some Napoleons. I also think that drones are likely to be poor substitutes for infantry out of actual combat.

That is indeed a fair point, but I think it is not so important when talking about a tyrant gaining control of his own country. Because the soldiers in Iraq, Bosnia etc. saw the people they tortured (or similar) not as people, but as "the Enemy". That kind of thing is much harder to achieve when they are supposed to be fighting their own countrymen.

Yes they are, because nukes can only be aimed once and then destroy the targets (so they are just a direct threat) while autonomous robots can be used to control all kinds of stuff (checkpoints, roads, certain people). Also they allow much more accurate killing while nukes have a huge area of effect. Also I think (that is speculation, admittedly) that you would need fewer people to control a drone army than nukes of comparable destructive power.

0ikrase
I disagree strongly. (it depends on the size of the drone army, and what sort of people they are.) Drone army can probably be approximated as a slavishly loyal human army Terrorists would probably go for the nuke if they thought it achievable. Rouge states are probably more dangerous with a (large, robust) drone army because it can reduce the ability of a human military to revolt, and possibly do other things.

Acting "weird" (well or just weird, depends) is something I have contemplated, too. For now I have to confess that I mostly try to stick to the norms (especially in public) except if I have a good reason to do otherwise. I think I might make this one of my tasks to just do some random "weird" acts of kindness.

About the alienation: I don't think that we should do a lot about that. I think enforcing certain rules and having our own memes and terms for stuff already has some strong effects on that. I certainly felt a bit weird when I first came here. And I already was having thoughts like "don't judge something by it's cover" etc. in my mind (avoiding certain biases).

I would say that it is better to try and fail to become "the best possible you" than to live life in mediocrity. I would definitely not choose the safest option instead of the best while still in university. (In fact I was so fortunate as to have a compromise available.) The time to work for your dreams is now. You (hopefully) don't have burdens like kids, debt, huge possessions (house, car) etc. to care for so make mistakes and learn from them. Me stealing/paraphrasing: "Try and you can fail, try not and you have already failed!" Of course I might just be someone giving bad advice, but I think not. (obviously) You won't waste your time if you fail becoming a researcher, so definitely try it.

Well, you cannot be totally sure. I for one would consider myself a consequentialist, but would still choose dust specks. Correlation doesn't imply causation!

-4BerryPick6
Well, I guess there are various forms of Consequentialism which would lead one to choose dust specks. That would simply depend on what you're trying to maximize. If you want to maximize things like pain, discomfort or the amount of dust in eyes, then yes, you would choose dustspecks. If, on the other hand, you wanted to maximize the amount of, say, wellbeing, then the only choice available is torture.

Yep, imperial system was quite a frustration and is not really appropriate for such a scientifically minded group.

2TraderJoe
The most appropriate metric is the one which causes the smallest number of people to have to calculate their answer into another unit of measurement. If LW is mostly American, that may well be imperial.

Same for me here. Most of them were surprisingly easy and some (about 3 or 4) were just plain bizarre.

2A1987dM
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Longtime lurker that finally signed up in July. All questions except for the last ones with the tests. (did the IQ test though)

I would be interested in the conclusions you (all) draw from the two-party swindle. Do you think it gets better with multiple party politics? And what would be the best political system? Direct democracy? A council based republic? I agree that the two-party system is greatly flawed, but what is best (multiple parties is better, but clearly not best, right?)

I don't know if you know, but just in case you (or someone else) don't: There is no inequality symbol on the computer keyboard, so he used a typical programmer's inequality symbol which is "!=". So yes, it is not easily readable (i! is a bad combination...) but totally correct.

2A1987dM
The way to handle that is whitespace: i != 0. (I once was teased by my tendency to put whitespace in computer code around all operators which would be spaced in typeset mathematical formulas.) EDIT: I also use italics for variables, boldface for vectors, etc. when handwriting. Whenever I get a new pen I immediately check whether it's practical to do boldface with it.
3Dan_Moore
A space between variable & operator would help.
3pragmatist
The symbol wasn't there when I wrote my comment. It was edited in afterwards.

Well the intention was indeed twofold. Firstly advocate the possibility for good political discussions (because then, and to a lesser extent now, I thought that it would be good to have them) and genuinely ask why you don't have them.

I realise more and more that I did not phrase my question/query very well. What I meant with a political discussion was that you have a general issue and you try to find either the truth or a consens if possible. So I don't want to discuss Democrats vs Republicans (I am German anyway) but talk about certain issues that you would not want to discuss, because they are "political". (e.g. same sex marriage, how to minimise poverty etc.)

1TheOtherDave
If you want to discuss a topic without reference to partisan national politics, I'd recommend you do so and see what happens. I expect that for the most part, if the topic is one of genuine interest, you'll get a discussion about it. That said, it's worth paying attention to what makes certain topics seem interesting in the first place. I discuss same-sex marriage on this site not-infrequently, for example. That's because I happen to be in one, and we often discuss relationship dynamics. I don't generally get downvoted for it. OTOH, if I were to start talking about legalizing same-sex marriage in America in the abstract, the most plausible explanation for why I was talking about this would be because it has become a partisan political question in an election year. If I wanted to talk about it for some other reason, I would make a distinct effort to frame it so that my real reasons were immediately clear. I would also look skeptically at my own belief that those really were my real reasons.

That is the sort of answer I was aiming for when I was writing the post. I genuinely wanted to know why you don't have those discussions and this is an interesting reason.

1fortyeridania
Fair enough. Next time, perhaps you should just say so. Your post seemed to advocate them, not just ask about them. This is, I think, the major reason for the downvoting. (Another big one is the lack of reference to the political threads that actually do appear occasionally.)

I may have been overly optimistic. I was just stating my confusion about the fact that this chance (people with different political opinions and small identities that are interested in finding the truth and like to discuss on a fair basis) has not been used (much) to discuss politics.

I guess with "perfect" I meant that it is one of the best places you can find, not that it is really perfect.

3fortyeridania
You've pointed out two phenomena that are surely related: 1. People around here have small identities, are interested in finding the truth, and like to discuss on a fair basis. 2. People around here are not amenable to discussing politics. I think the relationship is at least partially causal, with 1 causing 2. Speaking for myself anyway, political discussion is frustrating (and yet very enjoyable!), because I find it so hard to even articulate the query, let alone hug it. If I were to get into a political discussion, I might end up polluting more than clarifying, despite what I would feel were my best efforts. I suspect others here might feel similarly about their own potential for political discussion.
3TheOtherDave
As I've said elsewhere, it's worth taking the second-order effects into account. That is, suppose I accept for the sake of comity that LW's exceptional discussion-having abilities would be well-used discussing partisan national politics. (In actual fact I'm unconvinced of this, given what I've seen of it.) I should still ask myself what kinds of people will join LW if we start regularly discussing such issues who would not otherwise join, and what effect they will have on our exceptional discussion-having abilities. My prediction, given that we're an open-registration forum on the Internet, is that it will net degrade those abilities.

But that doesn't explain (entirely) why there are no political threads. A better explanation is (I guess) that you downvote everything that has the word politics in it.

I never said that we are immune, I said that there was potential for good political discussions not that there would be no bad ones. And I wanted to ask a question, not state that you are all wrong and stupid.

0fortyeridania
True. Here's what you did say: I think this is overly optimistic. (Thus I do not feel as though you've called me, or anyone else here, stupid. Rather, I think you've overestimated our reasonableness on a political topic.)

I think I missed the poll for the date, so is it going to be Thursday the 28th?

0blob
It's on Friday the 28th. The poll was sent via the mailing list, I'm not sure whether you're subscribed to it.

Hi, I looked through the games and (as far as I remember) we could play at least 2 (nearly) without preparation and 1 with very little, so that's the ones I want to try. We will definitely have 2 to 4 games/activities to chose from. So we can decide what we want to do. It is of course just an offer, no pressure there.

It does not state which (!) former self, so I would expect some sort of median or mean or summary of your former self and not just the last day. So I'm sorry but there is no shortcut ;-)

Hi Leute, werde vielleicht da sein, komme aus dem Südwesten nach Berlin.

Drug use is IMO not a good example because drug prohibition does our (modern, informed and scientifically advanced) society no favor. Quite the opposite, as more and more people seem to realise.

Banning superstimuli is not the best way to go (it might not even be a good way), early education is much more effective. Our information society opens up new possibilities to make well informed decisions and to come closer to the free market ideal.

4Houshalter
I think that's definitely false. Drug bans are obviously not 100% effective. But they do decrease the number of users to less than what it would otherwise be. Marijuana use has gone way up in Colorado after they legalized it, and even in the surrounding states where it's still illegal. I'm not saying that specific drug should be illegal, it's just an example that shows bans do decrease usage.

Of course, that's why I would call myself a consequentialist even though I mainly/very often argue by using deontic principles. I wasn't talking about theory (or foundation), but about the practicality/practical use of deontic reasoning versus consequentialism.

Upvoted. I really like this comment because it shows some of my own concerns about consequentialism. For example I have decided that for most cases the deontic answers fit the consequentialist ones so well that we should start out following them and only if they appear to be nonsatisfactory we should dive into consequentialist reasoning. This quite leads to some peace of mind, but it obviously is the easy answer, not the correct one... Is there a post on lesswrong for deontology as a subset of consequentialism? (According to wikipedia there seem to be some scientists that state a similar opinion.)

5Lukas_Gloor
The utilitarian philosopher RM Hare has proposed a solution along the lines you suggest, it's called two-level utilitarianism. From Wikipedia: I think the concept has merit, but if you're smart and willing enough to do it, you'd have to act according to the "critical level" (conventional consequentialism) anyway.
0wedrifid
Your actual values are the ones that determine "what appears satisfactory".

Hi,

I'm a German student-to-be (I am going to start studying IT in October) and I am interested in almost anything connected with rationality, especially the self improvement, biases and "how to save the world" parts. I hope that lesswrong will be (and it already has been to a certain amount) one of the resources for (re-)shaping my thinking and acting towards a better me and a better world.

I came here, like so many others ;-), because I wanted to check out the foundations/concepts behind HPMOR and I could not just leave again. So over the last fe... (read more)