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how would you change the question between the two cases?

1leggi
I would ask a different question in each case. (about unrelated subjects)

Think of this scenario: I ask "is everything I am doing the optimal for my subjective preferences?" Now think at your question. It is provable that the oracle answer yes (or no) to my question if and only if the oracle answer yes (or no) to your question, and vice-versa. This make my question a better choice since it is less complex (less bits). If you try to schematize some possible cases, you will see that the answer of the oracle in my example and yours is always the same.

1Vanessa Kosoy
The difference is, if the oracle tells you what you're doing is suboptimal, you might arrive at wrong conclusions about why it's suboptimal. Also, I see no reason why a shorter question is a priori better?

What do you mean by "where the motivation comes from"?

1Timothy M.
This is a common problem with a lot of these hypothetical AI scenarios - WHY does the Oracle do this? How did the process of constructing this AI somehow make it want to eventually cause some negative consequence?

Thanks for the clarification, I correct the error. As for the second point, who says we have to lock up the killers for decades? Just because this is what the system currently does does not mean it is right. The most rational way would be to use criminals as a workforce, there is no more important resource for a Nation and if you think about the number of convicts who remain to rot at the expense of the state I think this would be the absolute best use.

The most complex system is the one that can generate complex system itself, outside of biological reproduction. Based on this definition, human beings are the most complex biological systems that we know, even if it sound too anthropocentric.

A couple of points to your points.

1) Bell's inequalities only seem to disprove local realism. In addition, many scientists criticize the assumptions and, in any case, they are compatible with different deterministic systems or with non-local hidden variables, so it is far from being a definitive tool to prove or disprove determinism.

2) If you take determinism in the broad sense as the main subject of the discourse, then eternalism is a subset of determinism and not vice versa. Other subsets may be: Hard determinism, MWI, Biological determinism, Theological determinism and many others.

0TAG
It rules out determinism based on local hidden variables, which could rule in one of: nonlocality, indeterminism, or superdeterminism. It's frequently misquoted as merely disproving locality by those with a bias in favour of determinism There has always been a small but vociferous opposition. They are gradually losing the argument that experimental tests are flawed, because tests keep being repeated and refined, closing the alleged "loopholes". Its not definitive and I didn't say it was, but it does hint that the issue is subject to empirical investigation.