taw comments on Typical Mind and Politics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: taw 12 June 2009 04:20:18PM 4 points [-]

Considering how vast are differences in political views, how tiny are differences in underlying biology, I'm extremely skeptical to any biological explanations.

Political distance between American left 2009 and American right 2009 is far smaller than political distance between average American 2009 and average American 1809, or than political distance between average North Korean 2009 and average Somalian 2009.

If those tiny American differences corresponded to big differences in biology, then people from different countries and times would have to be pretty much a different species. That's obviously not true, so I find such explanations extremely unlikely.

Comment author: Cyan 12 June 2009 04:55:44PM *  13 points [-]

Your observation does not rule out a model in which cultural context predicts mean political behavior/views (within that culture) and individual biological differences predict individual variations in political behavior/views around the cultural mean.

Comment author: taw 12 June 2009 05:48:16PM 0 points [-]

Existence of such effect sounds plausible, but even within a single culture political views correlate extremely strongly with many other things like socioeconomic status, and presence of other meme complexes (religion, national identity etc.), so there's very little variance left for individual biological differences.

Comment author: orthonormal 12 June 2009 06:25:14PM 5 points [-]

Razib's regression analysis on religion and abortion attitudes across countries is pretty illuminating in this regard.

1) It is clear that religion correlate with opposition to abortion in the vast majority of nations.

2) But, the attitudes of religious people and non-religious people track each other so that the irreligious in nation X may oppose abortion much more than the religious in nation Y.

The hypothesis here isn't that personal characteristics determine policy preferences directly, but that they predispose a person to be more receptive to (e.g.) left vs. right arguments within their society. Context is everything, though: leaning conservative in Sweden means endorsing policies that would be radically left in the USA.

Comment author: MichaelBishop 12 June 2009 07:05:26PM *  2 points [-]

Wrong (with all due respect). Genes (a subset of biological differences) affect politics a lot. To give just one source of evidence, my first hit googling "genes politics" is this New York Times coverage. Not only does "socioeconomic status, and presence of other meme complexes (religion, national identity etc) leave a great deal of variance unexplained, they are also affected by genes.

Comment author: Cyan 12 June 2009 06:18:25PM *  1 point [-]

Once we're into correlations with socioeconomic status, etc., we need Judea-Pearl-style causal analysis to suss out how determinative biological differences are. (Genotypes are presumably occasionally causes and never effects, but that won't apply to phenotypes.)

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 12 June 2009 08:25:00PM 2 points [-]

Even a slight innate difference is likely to be exaggerated by other effects; in-group loyalty, halo effects, evaporative cooling, &c.

I'd file it under "sensitive dependence on initial conditions". Memetic attractors form around certain political views, and small innate differences send people spiralling to one or another.

Comment author: Kenny 26 June 2009 03:52:53AM 0 points [-]

Small differences can account for large effects.