taw comments on The Absent-Minded Driver - Less Wrong

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Comment author: taw 19 September 2009 04:17:08AM 0 points [-]

It's not just chess - here's two 9dan go players, one of them misthinking and killing his own group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1FvPxmmfE

Such spectacular mistakes are not entirely unknown in go, even in top level title matches.

In pro-level shogi it's even worse, as illegal moves (which are instant lose) are supposedly not at all uncommon.

Comment author: Christian_Szegedy 19 September 2009 04:55:57AM *  4 points [-]

The original question was not whether humans make mistakes (they do in every area, this is undisputed) but whether irrationality in one domain makes more unreliable in others.

Comment author: jimrandomh 19 September 2009 01:03:33PM *  1 point [-]

No, the original question was whether we should be surprised when humans make mistakes, and what influences the probability of them doing so. The occasional grandmaster bluder shows that even for extremely smart humans within their field of expertise, the human mind effectively has a noise floor - ie, some minimum small probability of making stupid random decisions. Computers, on the other hand, have a much lower noise floor (and can be engineered to make it arbitrarily low).

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 05 October 2009 11:25:46PM *  6 points [-]

You shouldn't be surprised that a chess world champion has made a mistake over the course of their entire career. However, given a specific turn, you should be surprised if the world champion made a mistake in that turn. That is, given any turn, you can rely on their making a good move on that turn. You can't rely with perfect confidence, of course, but that wasn't the claim.

Comment author: CronoDAS 19 September 2009 04:41:58AM 2 points [-]