Zack_M_Davis comments on Open Thread: January 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 04 January 2010 01:09:59AM 0 points [-]

the non-exception convention (0 is a number, a square is a rectangle, the empty product is 1, . . .)

Is there such a convention? We don't say that one is prime. e^x is often said to be the only function that is its own derivative, as if the zero function somehow didn't count.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 January 2010 04:24:31AM 4 points [-]

We don't say that one is prime.

One definition of a prime, of course, is "a number whose only factors are itself and 1, except for 1 itself". Another, however, is "a number with exactly two factors", which is probably the simpler than "a number whose only factors are itself and 1". And if 1 were prime, it would be a highly exceptional one, in that there would be many places to say "all prime numbers except 1".

e^x is often said to be the only function that is its own derivative, as if the zero function somehow didn't count.

The only functions defined over all real numbers that are their own derivatives are those of the form k*e^x for some real number k. These include not only e^x but 2e^x and 0e^x.

Comment author: ciphergoth 07 January 2010 03:42:50PM 2 points [-]

ke^x is its own derivative for any k, including 0. It's a lot more convenient for 1 not to be prime. But 0! = 1, for example.

Comment author: komponisto 05 January 2010 04:06:43PM *  0 points [-]

Is there such a convention?

Yes -- at least in the sense that I have found familiarity with (and sympathy toward) this practice to be an effective shibboleth for distinguishing the mathematically sophisticated.

(It's kind of like how it's a warning sign when someone doesn't think the word "dictionary" should be in the dictionary.)

Comment author: Jawaka 07 January 2010 02:10:50PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 05 January 2010 07:04:45PM *  0 points [-]

Thank you. Sorry for the stupid question, then; do downvote the grandparent.

Comment author: magfrump 05 January 2010 04:39:50PM -1 points [-]

One is not prime. The zero function is a trivial function; it actually doesn't count (for reasons that are technical).