ciphergoth comments on That Magical Click - Less Wrong

58 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 January 2010 04:35PM

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Comment author: RobertWiblin 29 January 2010 05:09:20PM 2 points [-]

Sorry, this may be a stupid question, but why is it a good for people to get cyonically frozen? Obviously if they don't they won't make it to the future - but other people will be born or duplicated in the future and the total number of people will be the same.

Why care more about people who live now than future potential people?

Comment author: ciphergoth 29 January 2010 05:25:32PM *  4 points [-]

I care more about myself than future potential people.

More seriously, I value a diversity of minds, and if the future does too they may be glad to have us along.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 29 January 2010 11:47:14PM 4 points [-]

Agree with "myself", disagree with "diversity of minds". If the future needs diversity, it has its random number generators and person templates. Additional argument: death is bad, life-creation is not morally reversible.

Comment author: ciphergoth 30 January 2010 08:30:37AM 3 points [-]

I don't know why I said "more seriously" when it's by far the less defensible argument.

Comment author: RobertWiblin 30 January 2010 06:36:16AM 1 point [-]

I can understand valuing oneself more than others (simple selfishness is unsurprising), but I think Eliezer is saying cryonics is a positive good, not just that it benefits some people at the equal expense of others.

If uploading gets up as is probably required for people to be woken up, the future will be able to make minds as diverse as they like.

Comment author: ciphergoth 30 January 2010 08:42:49AM 2 points [-]

I think Eliezer is saying cryonics is a positive good

I don't think so; when people say "shouldn't you argue that people give the money to SIAI", he says "why does this come out of our saving the world budget, and not your curry budget?"

I think this is a very weak point and the far future will probably be able to make whatever kinds of minds they like, but we could have scanning/WBE long before we know enough about minds to diversify them.