alyssavance comments on A survey of anti-cryonics writing - Less Wrong

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Comment author: alyssavance 08 February 2010 08:45:23PM 10 points [-]

"In biology 101 one learns that most organisms value having kids over living for a long time."

This is very definitely a confusion over what evolution values versus what organisms value. Suppose you were faced with a choice: get sterilized now, or get shot in ten years. Evolution would favor B but the vast majority of people themselves would favor A.

"Very few people do that. I figure they mostly value kids over a long life."

Most people don't know about CR and don't know what they want very clearly anyway.

Comment author: Jack 08 February 2010 08:49:10PM 5 points [-]

This is very definitely a confusion over what evolution values versus what organisms value. Suppose you were faced with a choice: get sterilized now, or get shot in ten years. Evolution would favor B but the vast majority of people themselves would favor A.

Interestingly though, if the choice is: get shot now or one of your children gets shot now most people would choose the former.

Comment author: timtyler 08 February 2010 09:35:53PM *  1 point [-]

Your example is pathological. "Painless sterilisation" and "being shot in ten years" are uncommon as choices to be made in the ancestral environment. By contrast, most organisms constantly face decisions regarding whether to expend resources on body maintenance programs or courtship, mating and reproduction.

Like I said, most organisms value having kids over living for a long time. That is because nature is concerned with reproduction - and not longevity. If you still do not "get" that, try sitting in on the class I mentioned.

Comment author: alyssavance 08 February 2010 09:39:30PM 8 points [-]

"Your example is pathological. "Painless sterilisation" and "being shot in ten years" are uncommon in the ancestral environment."

Yes, that's why the two are different- because evolution did a lousy job at making an organism's desires match its own desires.

"Like I said, most organisms value having kids over living for a long time. That is because nature is concerned with reproduction - and not longevity. If you still do not "get" that, try sitting in on the class I mentioned."

You do not understand the difference between what evolution wants and what an organism wants. They are not the same thing. See http://lesswrong.com/lw/l0/adaptationexecuters_not_fitnessmaximizers/.