timtyler comments on A survey of anti-cryonics writing - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 08 February 2010 10:03:32PM *  -2 points [-]

What I originally said was:

"most organisms value having kids over living for a long time."

I said MOST organisms - and referred to a specific example: kids vs lifespan.

Your representation of my position drops the qualifying word "most" and generalises it. That is not a legitimate operation in an argument.

Also, perhaps best to stop using quotation marks when attributing distorted versions of my views to me.

Comment author: mattnewport 08 February 2010 10:10:01PM 2 points [-]

You appeared to be generalizing in this case from 'most organisms' to 'most people' which doesn't seem valid to me.

Comment author: timtyler 08 February 2010 10:36:15PM 1 point [-]

I do also think is is generally true that most people value having kids over living for a long time - though I wasn't making a logical generalisation from "most organisms" to "most people" in the absence of other observations.

Biology has reproduction as an ultimate goal, and longevity as an instrumental one - and most people's actions seem broadly consistent with that to me - though obviously there are a few methusalahites.

Comment author: alyssavance 08 February 2010 10:09:15PM *  2 points [-]

"I said MOST organisms - and referred to a specific example: kids vs lifespan."

You were obviously not excluding humans, since you then said immediately afterward:

"It appears to be fairly easy to trade kids for longer life - adopt a regime of dietary energy restriction. Very few people do that. I figure they mostly value kids over a long life."

If you had said "most organisms would prefer to die in a few years rather than be sterilized, but humans are different because we have more complex value systems" you might at least have a case, but you're very clearly trying to extent your argument from biology to humans (at least most humans) and it very clearly fails.