Hook comments on Undiscriminating Skepticism - Less Wrong

97 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 March 2010 11:23PM

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Comment author: Hook 18 March 2010 09:04:06PM 1 point [-]

Since when were terminal moral values determined by rationality?

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 18 March 2010 09:26:51PM 0 points [-]

'Starting assumptions' as I used it is basically the same concept as 'terminal moral values', and a terminal moral value that refers to humans specifically is arguably more complex than one that talks about life in general or minds in general.

More-complex terminal moral values are generally viewed with some suspicion here, because it's more likely that they'll turn out to have internal inconsistencies. It's also easier to use them to rationalize about irrational behavior.

Comment author: byrnema 18 March 2010 09:07:10PM *  0 points [-]

So then what did you mean by this?

I think "making the argument that humans have some special moral place in the world" in the absence of an eternal soul is very easy for someone intelligent enough to think about how close humans and goldfish are "in the space of 'things that one can construct out of atoms.'"

Comment author: Hook 18 March 2010 09:15:00PM 0 points [-]

Jack and mattnewport both seemed to do a good job above.

Comment author: byrnema 18 March 2010 09:27:11PM 0 points [-]

You seem to be equivocating. What do you really think?

(1) Do you believe there are logical reasons for terminal values?

(2) Do you believe that it would be easy to argue that humans have special moral status even without divine external validation (e.g., without a soul)?