Jack comments on Open Thread: May 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jack 02 May 2010 06:56:50PM 5 points [-]

Since mixed racial background should make a difference in genes but makes only a small difference in the way our culture treats a person, if the IQ gap is the result of genetics we should see find that the those with mixed race backgrounds have higher IQs than those of mostly or exclusively African descent. This has been approximated with skin tone studies in the past and my recollection is that one study showed a slight correlation between lighter skin tone and IQ and the other study showed no correlation. There just hasn't been much research done and I doubt there will ever be much research (which is fine by me).

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 02 May 2010 07:05:49PM 4 points [-]

Afaik, skin tone, hair texture, and facial features make a large difference in how African Americans treat each other.

White people, in my experience, are apt to think of race in binary terms, but this might imply that skin tone affects how African Americans actually get treated.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 May 2010 02:39:27PM *  3 points [-]

I'm still not confident because we're not, as Nancy mentioned, completely binary about race even in the US.

What you'd really need to do is a comparative study between the US and somewhere like Brazil or Cuba, which had a different history regarding mixed race. (The US worked by the one-drop-of-blood rule; Spanish and Portuguese colonies had an elaborate caste system where more white blood meant more legal rights.) If it's mainly a cultural distinction, we ought to see a major difference between the two countries -- the light/dark gap should be larger in the former Spanish colony than it is in the US. If culture doesn't matter much, and the gap is purely genetic, it should be the same all around the world.

The other thing I would add, which is easy to lose track of, is that this is not research that should be done exclusively by whites, and especially not exclusively by whites who have an axe to grind about race. Bias can go in that direction as well, and a subject like this demands extraordinary care in controlling for it. Coming out with a bad, politically motivated IQ study could be extremely harmful.

Comment author: Jack 03 May 2010 04:53:48PM -1 points [-]

The other thing I would add, which is easy to lose track of, is that this is not research that should be done exclusively by whites, and especially not exclusively by whites who have an axe to grind about race.

Frankly, I'm not sure why the research should be done at all.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 May 2010 03:04:41PM 1 point [-]

Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study suggests that a lot of the difference is cultural and/or that white parents are better able to protect their children from the effects of prejudice.

I also have no idea what the practical difference of 4 IQ points might be.

I don't know where you'd find people who were interested enough in racial differences in intelligence to do major studies on it, but who didn't have preconceived ideas.