NancyLebovitz comments on Open Thread: July 2010, Part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 August 2010 07:18:00AM 2 points [-]

How do you identify it when others are attempting to manipulate you?

Comment author: cousin_it 03 August 2010 07:34:42AM *  4 points [-]

This sort of question is always difficult to answer... How does one identify that a shoe is a shoe? I seem to have something like "qualia" for manipulation. Someone says something to me and I recognize a familiar internal "pull": a faint feeling of guilt, and a stronger feeling of being carefully maneuvred to do some specific action to avoid the guilt, and a very strong feeling that I must not respond in any way. Then I just allow the latter feeling to win. It took a big conscious effort at first, but by now it's automatic.

Comment author: Relsqui 11 October 2010 07:50:27PM 2 points [-]

a very strong feeling that I must not respond in any way.

Has this caused you difficulty in social situations where a certain degree of manipulation is usually considered acceptable?

I'm thinking of cases where someone is signalling that they want a hug, or a compliment, or to be asked after. Certainly it would be nice if people stated their needs clearly in those situations, but a) that's not "normal" in our culture and a lot of people never consider it, b) it's sometimes very difficult even when you know it's an option, and c) ignoring people in those situations won't lead them to be clearer next time, it just makes it seem like you don't care about their distress.

Comment author: cousin_it 11 October 2010 07:57:02PM *  2 points [-]

Signaling that you want a hug isn't manipulation in my book, it's just nonverbal communication. But I can't be guilt-tripped into a hug or a compliment.

Comment author: Relsqui 11 October 2010 07:59:35PM 2 points [-]

Fair enough. But I'm not sure where the lines are between those things. That question might be a good addition to this post.