Open Thread: July 2010, Part 2

Alicorn

Open Thread: July 2010, Part 2 — LessWrong

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I'll also say that censorship is a "hot button" issue for me, to the point that I'm not sure I want to continue helping SIAI. They went from nerdy-but-fun-to-talk-to/help to scary-cult-like-weirdos as soon as I read the article, and thought about what EYs reaction, and Roko's removal meant.

I'm seriously considering brainstorming a list of easy ways to increase existential risks by %0.0001, and then performing one at random every time I hear such a reduction cited as the reason for silliness like this.

(Deleting this post, or the one I'm replying to, would count),

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Roko15y440

Can I just state categorically that this "ways to increase existential risks" thing is stupid and completely over the top.

We should be able to discuss things, sometimes even continuing discussion in private. We should not stoop to playing silly games of brinksmanship.

Geez, if we can't eve avoid existential brinksmanship on the goddamn LW forum when the technology is hypothetical and the stakes are low, what hope in hell do we have when real politicians get wind of real progress in AGI?

11Alicorn16y

Eliezer might delete it anyway, although I don't expect it. You made a threat, not an offer. If the fiasco with Roko didn't convince you that he takes decision theory seriously, what will?

19Emile16y

How much experience do you have with various online communities? I've found that those with somewhat strict moderation by sane people have better discussion than those with little or no moderation. I think "freedom of speech" has different connotations, and different consequences in online communities, compared to the real world. Anonimity makes a big difference, as does the possibility of leaving and joining another community, or the fact that "real-life consequences" are much smaller. [...] I'm not sure I understand what you mean here - are you saying that you are willing to try to increase existential risk by %0.0001 if someone deletes your post ??? If so, you're a fucking despicable dick. But I may have misunderstood you.

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