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Comment author: waitingforgodel 11 December 2010 05:57:34AM 3 points [-]

At karma 0 I can't reply to each of you one at a time (rate limited - 10 min per post), so here are my replies in a single large comment:


@JoshuaZ

I would feel differently about nuke designs. As I said in the "why" links, I believe that EY has a bug when it comes to tail risks. This is an attempt to fix that bug.

Basically non-nuke censorship isn't necessary when you use a reddit engine... and Roko's post isn't a nuke.


@rwallace

Yes, though you'd have to say more.


@jaimeastorga2000

Incredible, thanks for the link


@shokwave

Incredible. Where were you two days ago!

After Roko's post on the question of enduring torture to reduce existential risks, I was sure they're must be a SIAI/LWer who was willing to kill for the cause, but no one spoke up. Thanks :p


@Jack

In this case my estimate is a 5% chance that EY wants to spread the censored material, and used censoring for publicity. Therefore spreading the censored material is questionable as a tactic.


@rwallace

Great! Get EY to rot13 posts instead of censoring them.


@Psychohistorian

You can't just pretend that the threat is trivial when it's not.

Fair enough. But you can't pretend that it's illegal when it's not (ie. the torture/murder example you gave).


@katydee

Actually, I just sent an email. Christians/Republicans are killing ??? people for the same reason they blocked stem cell research: stupidity. Also, why you're not including EY in that causal chain is beyond me.


@Lightwave

I think his blackmail declarations either don't cover my precommitment, or they also require him to not obey US laws (which are also threats).

Comment author: Manfred 11 December 2010 06:05:08AM *  10 points [-]

In this case my estimate is a 5% chance that EY wants to spread the censored material, and used censoring for publicity. Therefore spreading the censored material is questionable as a tactic.

Be careful to keep your eye on the ball. This isn't some zero-sum contest of wills, where if EY gets what he wants that's bad. The ball is human welfare, or should be.

Comment author: shokwave 11 December 2010 03:07:01PM 0 points [-]

I was only as serious as you were :P