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Oh, that's out of context:
He screwed up his experiment and was trying to salvage it. Feynman certainly never seriously thought that a woman who doesn't put out after dinner is worse than a whore. If you doubt that, read the rest of the book and "What do you care what other people think?". He absolutely liked to have fun when not in a committed relationship, but there was never a hint of disrespect. And that is probably one reason he never used this way to get laid outside of this experiment.
I have read both books. And I've also read other things about Feynman's attitude towards women (search for soup).
Noticing womens' reactions to attitudes like Feynman's (that is, not 1940s women, but modern women), and treating them seriously, has helped me in my relationship.
I have read the whole book, and I have always found this exchange breathtakingly disrespectful.
I agree with you, but this experiment could not have been ethically performed on lab mice or monkeys.
And yeah, he should have abandoned it right there, rather than pushing it to this limit, as a proof that it was the model that worked, not his personal charms or maybe the bar ambiance, and conduct a new trial. Certainly would not satisfy the standard required for publication in relevant psychological journals. Then again, he was not fond of repeating it.
I agree with you, but this experiment could not have been ethically performed on lab mice or monkeys.
But mere women, well, surely they could suffer for the sake of an experiment.
Suffer is perhaps not the correct word here. I think shminux is thinking of experimenters wining and dining (or not) and then having sex with monkeys.
However there is a totally viable experimental design with monkeys, if any monkeys exhibit gift-giving as a part of mating - just make sure that the males have some resource, train some to give the gift and some not to, put them in a position where they're trying to win the attentions of a female, and watch what happens.