Vladimir_M comments on Rationality Quotes December 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_M 02 December 2011 05:32:21AM *  32 points [-]

Every time that a man who is not an absolute fool presents you with a question he considers very problematic after giving it careful thought, distrust those quick answers that come to the mind of someone who has considered it only briefly or not at all. These answers are usually simplistic views lacking in consistency, which explain nothing, or which do not bear examination.

-- Joseph de Maistre (St. Petersburg Dialogues, No. 7)

Comment author: Zvi 03 December 2011 08:56:25PM 9 points [-]

I have on numerous occasions presented problems to others, after giving them careful thought, and had them reply instantly with the correct answer. Usually the next question is "why didn't I think of that?" which sometimes has an obvious answer and sometimes doesn't.

My favorite remains Eliezer asking me the question "why don't you just use log likelihood?" I still don't have a good answer to why I needed the question!

Comment author: Vladimir_M 04 December 2011 08:22:55AM *  12 points [-]

I don't think that de Maistre's "quick answers" category is supposed to include answers based on sound expertise.

People are often confused about questions to which an expert in the relevant area will give a quick and reliably correct answer. However, an expert capable of answering a technical question competently is not someone who has "considered [the question] only briefly or not at all": he is in fact someone who has spent a great deal of time and effort (along with possessing the necessary talent) on understanding a broad class of questions that subsumes the one being asked.

Comment author: MixedNuts 02 December 2011 05:44:18AM 11 points [-]

[citation needed]

It doesn't seem at all uncommon for someone from domain A to present a problem and for someone from domain B to immediately reply "Oh, we have just the perfect tool for that in my field!".

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 02 December 2011 11:05:02AM 6 points [-]
Comment author: MixedNuts 02 December 2011 11:07:01AM 6 points [-]

What's missing is indication that the physicist is wrong. Cows are spheres, right?

Comment author: fubarobfusco 02 December 2011 09:46:05PM 6 points [-]

This gives, by implication, a detector for absolute folly: the condition of believing that something is a very problematic question, when in fact it has a quick, consistent, explanatory answer available to those who have considered it only briefly or not at all.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 03 December 2011 06:55:37AM 5 points [-]

It doesn't necessarily follow that it's a highly accurate detector, though. If only a small minority of reasonable people are in this condition, while complete fools are commonly in this condition but their number is still much smaller than this minority of reasonable people, then the above quote would be true and yet your proposed test would be very weak.

A fascinating question would be how strong this test actually is, and how it varies with different subjects.

Comment author: Desrtopa 02 December 2011 02:52:42PM 2 points [-]

In my experience this is true given a definition of "complete fool" that encompasses a majority of the population, provided the person supplying quick answers isn't also a fool.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 02 December 2011 05:56:40PM 2 points [-]

Some years ago I would have agreed with you, but nowadays I believe this attitude is mistaken. In most cases, quick answers will at least miss some important aspects of the problem. I think de Maistre is quite right to emphasize that it's safe to rely on quick answers only when the person raising the concern is otherwise known to be extremely foolish.

Comment author: RobinZ 02 December 2011 05:21:53PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: MinibearRex 02 December 2011 05:32:32PM 4 points [-]

I actually expected to see this one.

Comment author: RobinZ 02 December 2011 07:16:07PM 1 point [-]

They are all variations on the same theme, aren't they?