roland comments on Rationality Quotes December 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: roland 06 December 2011 12:54:29AM 0 points [-]

but any particular mathematical structure is not linked to or unique to this universe.

How can you be sure? Every mathematical structure has to be represented in a physical brain. So the mathematical structures are constrained by the physicality of this universe.

Comment author: Bugmaster 06 December 2011 12:59:42AM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I can imagine a lot of things that don't exist in our universe, from magic flying ponies to Cthulhu. Some of those things are physically impossible; and yet, this imagination still takes place in my physical brain... Doesn't it ?

Comment author: roland 06 December 2011 02:55:27AM *  0 points [-]

That wasn't my point. Whatever you are imagining has to be represented in your brain even if it is a phantasy. Can you imagine an infinite set in your brain? I'm not talking about the concept of an infinite set, but an actual infinite set?

Comment author: dbaupp 06 December 2011 03:29:31AM 4 points [-]

Your question doesn't make sense. Can you represent an actual elephant in your head?

Comment author: Bugmaster 06 December 2011 03:54:00AM 1 point [-]

I'm not entirely clear on the categorical difference between the concept of an infinite set, and an actual infinite set. Aren't sets concepts to begin with, even finite ones ?

Comment author: dbaupp 06 December 2011 01:33:21AM 0 points [-]

Would you say that mathematics is invented? Or that it is discovered?

Comment author: roland 06 December 2011 03:04:02AM 0 points [-]

Good question. I don't know and honestly I don't care. It is one of those deep philosophical question that can be debated ad nauseum.

Comment author: dbaupp 06 December 2011 03:56:34AM 1 point [-]

But it is relevant to this discussion:

If it is invented, then any particular piece of mathematics doesn't exist until someone thinks it up (i.e. requires a physical brain).

If it is discovered, then all mathematics exists (in some sense), but humanity can only see a small portion of the whole (and it being in a physical brain or not is irrelevant).