CronoDAS comments on Of Gender and Rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CronoDAS 16 April 2009 02:50:38AM *  20 points [-]

Do women, on average, have more connected social lives than men do? It's very easy for a few people with no life to effectively dominate a community like this simply by spending more time than any "normal" person would want to. If women are more likely to have "a life" and less likely to become fixated on a specific hobby, that could explain why we see fewer women commenters. (One reason I'm here is that I have very few people in Real Life that I talk to regularly.)

A possibly relevant data point is that males are roughly four times more likely to have autism or Asperger's syndrome than females.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 16 April 2009 06:32:32PM 2 points [-]

A possibly relevant data point is that males are roughly four times more likely to have autism or Asperger's syndrome than females.

I don't believe that any significant portion of this community has these conditions, so it's not a relevant data point.

Comment author: MBlume 16 April 2009 06:45:18PM *  6 points [-]

I don't believe that any significant portion of this community has these conditions

This is, to me, a non-obvious claim. (For example...)

so it's not a relevant data point.

That depends on whether you consider autism or Asperger's to be discrete states, or to be extremes of traits which may be found to a lesser extent in individuals labeled neurotypical. If the latter, then gender distribution of autism/Asperger's could be relevant to discussion of the milder versions of those traits

Comment author: byrnema 16 April 2009 06:58:29PM 1 point [-]

I was considering the consequences to the gender ratio if it is true that LW draws from people who are nerdy and social. It seems that "nerdy" qualities tend to be associated with men (perhaps due to correlation with autism traits), and social skills tend to be associated with women. While plenty of men have great social skills, even nerdy men, what fraction of nerdy women have good social skills? From my experience, women in math and science have a good chance of not feeling socially comfortable. While men have a higher chance of autism traits, I wonder if within the sub-population of math and science, women have a higher incidence.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 16 April 2009 09:28:12PM *  0 points [-]

However you interpret my message, these factors can't significantly account for male/female participation ratio, as I'm pretty sure they don't concern at all, in any form at least 70% of the community.

Comment author: mattnewport 16 April 2009 10:04:28PM *  8 points [-]

I think MBlume's point was that there is a fairly mainstream theory of autism spectrum disorders (which includes Asperger's) that claims they can be explained as extreme cases of the 'male brain'. If there is a correlation between the male brain traits that in extreme form are diagnosed as autism/Asperger's and the patterns of thinking that would lead to an interest in this community and if it is true that autism/Asperger's fall on a continuum rather than being discretely identifiable conditions then the gender bias observed here could be explained by the same factors that explain the gender bias in these conditions.

The implicit hypothesis here is that the average community member on this site would score higher on tests designed to diagnose autism spectrum disorders than the general population, without necessarily scoring high enough to be diagnosed with the condition. That seems at least plausible to me.

Comment author: Alicorn 16 April 2009 05:07:27AM 4 points [-]

May or may not be connected, but I do have Asperger's.

Comment author: taryneast 20 March 2011 10:55:58PM 1 point [-]

My dad has Asperger's. I have some of his traits... serious introvert (need a lot of time alone), can't deal with too much stimuli (light, music, social situations)

...but I'm actually pretty good at the "recognising emotions from faces" tests, so I tend to test negative.

Comment author: Aurini 16 April 2009 10:06:26AM 1 point [-]

This suggestion accounts for women being underrepresented, but not for their distinct absence (unless if several popular posters are, in fact, female).

Comment author: taryneast 20 March 2011 10:57:29PM *  1 point [-]

Um, Anna Salamon... Alicorn... I don't count as "popular" but those two are top 10 karma-wise, (Alicorn is third). I'm sure there are others.

There is a severe under-representation, but we're not entirely absent :)

Comment author: Aurini 21 March 2011 04:52:13PM 6 points [-]

2 year old comment. They may not have been as prominent back then (in fact, I think that was the post that made gender an issue here). :)

I'm trying to get Girlfriend into this site, because that will make her sexier.

Comment author: taryneast 04 June 2015 11:30:36PM 0 points [-]

They were prominent then too (I was there then too) :)

Comment author: [deleted] 05 January 2014 05:48:38PM 0 points [-]

2 year old comment. They may not have been as prominent back then (in fact, I think that was the post that made gender an issue here). :)

BTW, 8.4% of respondents to the 2011 survey were female, compared to 3% in 2009.