faul_sname comments on Nonmindkilling open questions - Less Wrong

22 Post author: Yvain 23 March 2012 04:23PM

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Comment author: faul_sname 25 March 2012 07:52:37PM 0 points [-]

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/UKXX0085 See for yourself. Regardless, these aren't particularly open questions. I would trust those people who have spent years developing fairly good models to have a better answer than I do.

Comment author: jkaufman 26 March 2012 06:11:17PM 2 points [-]

Will it rain in London six months from today? (Perhaps I'm planning an outdoor wedding.)

I don't believe anyone has a way to do better predicting six months out than just looking at historical rain/shine rates.

Comment author: faul_sname 26 March 2012 06:49:52PM 0 points [-]

My point is that while this is non-mindkilling and an open question, there isn't much productive discussion you can have about it. Forecasters can slightly beat the averages when talking 6 months out, but they do that through the use of sophisticated computer models, not rational discussion. Without spending months or years learning how exactly those models worked and developing improvements, I don't expect to be able to come up with a better answer than the current accepted one. So this really isn't an open question of the class we're interested in.

Comment author: jkaufman 28 March 2012 12:21:56PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure whether you and Yvain are using "open question" the same way here. I think Yvain is just using it to mean "we don't know either way", not in the "not figured out yet but we want a real solution" sense of open problem.

Comment author: faul_sname 28 March 2012 04:37:21PM 0 points [-]

Yes, but open problems that we won't come up with better answers than the answers already out there are not terribly useful to discuss.

Comment author: Alsadius 29 March 2012 06:40:56PM 0 points [-]

But the point is not to discuss them, it's to show people that they should not assert 100% probabilities.

Comment author: faul_sname 29 March 2012 07:44:50PM 0 points [-]

So what are the important questions that average (or somewhat-above-average) people will likely agree are complicated open questions where both sides have good points?

I don't really see sides here. It's more "the forecast says x%". So while reasonable people will admit to probability estimates other than 0 or 100%, that's because of the format the information is presented in.