Alex_Altair comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 13, chapter 81 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alex_Altair 28 March 2012 03:56:47PM 1 point [-]

This blew my mind.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 28 March 2012 04:02:53PM *  0 points [-]

What do you mean? Which part?

Comment author: Alex_Altair 28 March 2012 05:19:58PM *  0 points [-]

The part where I totally didn't notice that they didn't get married.

But I'm still confused; why not? What are the benefits of servitude over marriage?

I'm also confused about what actually happened.

The boy took a deep breath, and opened his mouth -

Did he actually say anything? Or did McGonagall come up with the idea right before? And then didn't mention to Harry that she was making Hermione his servant instead of his wife?

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 28 March 2012 05:32:08PM *  8 points [-]

What are the benefits of servitude over marriage?

Fewer shrieks of horror from their parents? Also Hermione doesn't need to change her name into Hermione Potter-Evans-Verres-Granger.

Did he actually say anything? Or did McGonagall come up with the idea right before?

He didn't. It was right before. Harry knew of only marriage as a way to induct Hermione into his House. McGonagall knew of a somewhat simpler way, and one less emotionally charged than marriage.

And then didn't mention to Harry that she was making Hermione his servant instead of his wife?

I think he realized it the moment he heard the words McGonagall was having Hermione say. Keep in mind that it's not as if McGonaggal realized Harry was considering marriage at all.

Comment author: Alex_Altair 28 March 2012 05:43:00PM 0 points [-]

I personally would find marriage to be vastly preferable to indefinite servitude. Servitude would definitely be emotionally charging for both of them, as humanists. And they're already deeply in love.

Comment author: Alsadius 28 March 2012 06:39:10PM 7 points [-]

I find it quite astonishing how often I have to remind people that they're eleven years old.

Comment author: Alex_Altair 28 March 2012 07:05:31PM 4 points [-]

I didn't forget that (but sometimes I do). We can have a 12 year old be a slave to an 11 year old, but we can't have them get married?

Comment author: Alsadius 28 March 2012 07:17:50PM 5 points [-]

Welcome to feudalism.

Comment author: MartinB 28 March 2012 10:32:12PM 4 points [-]

Legal system do not have to be consistant. In Germany you can inherit since the time of conception, but still legally aborted afterwards.

Comment author: Alsadius 28 March 2012 11:54:58PM 1 point [-]

That is seriously weird.

Comment author: MartinB 29 March 2012 12:16:37AM 4 points [-]

Not that much. Both rules have their reasons. Real consistency is hard.

Comment author: Blueberry 28 March 2012 07:23:32PM *  0 points [-]

They're not, mentally.

But yeah, they may not be able to get legally married. Surprising that they can get legally enslaved, though.

Comment author: Nominull 28 March 2012 11:54:20PM 3 points [-]

Feudal vassalage is a few steps up from slavery, I think.

Comment author: Blueberry 29 March 2012 12:08:43AM 0 points [-]

Yes, but there's no verb that means to put someone into it...

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 March 2012 02:16:35AM 6 points [-]

Vassalize.

Comment author: Percent_Carbon 29 March 2012 06:19:30AM 2 points [-]

They are, mentally.

The mind is the body, and this is a rationalist fic.

Precocious children have a history of demonstrating they are not socio-emotionally prepared for some adult situations they are capable of confronting on an intellectual level. However smart or clever we are, we are still wet machines and we still grow in particular rhythms at particular times.

Comment author: wedrifid 29 March 2012 06:07:39PM 1 point [-]

But I'm still confused; why not? What are the benefits of servitude over marriage?

Non-violation of bigamy laws if you marry someone else.

Comment author: [deleted] 29 March 2012 02:24:28PM -1 points [-]

But I'm still confused; why not? What are the benefits of servitude over marriage?

Before McGonagall's stunt, I was worried the marriage would require consummation to be legally binding.

Comment author: wedrifid 29 March 2012 03:37:47PM *  1 point [-]

"I told you, no kissing!" and then some.

Before McGonagall's stunt, I was worried the marriage would require consummation to be legally binding.

This doesn't strike me as much of an issue. Considering what was at stake it would be an utterly trivial cost and a requirement comparatively easy to fulfill. Just another taboo tradeoff.

"Let's see... is drastically underage sex with my girlfriend better than her death by torture?". Death by torture really makes decision making easy at times!

Comment author: TheOtherDave 29 March 2012 04:10:56PM 1 point [-]

Well, yes. I mean, a canonical purpose of torture is to simplify decision-making.