TimS comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 13, chapter 81 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TimS 28 March 2012 06:17:40PM 1 point [-]

But he has no way of knowing that. Objects in our world don't come labelled "Chekov's gun," even when it turns out that they should have.

Comment author: ajuc 28 March 2012 06:44:44PM 2 points [-]

We don't have a way to be sure our universe runs on casuality. It's just generalization from our experiences. The same could be true for Dumbledore and his universe.

Comment author: TimS 29 March 2012 02:44:31AM *  0 points [-]

Why not? Why, indeed, would wizards with enough status and wealth to turn their hands to almost any endeavor, choose to spend their lives fighting over lucrative monopolies on ink importation? The Headmaster of Hogwarts would hardly see the question; of course most people should not be powerful wizards, just as most people should not be heroes. The Defense Professor could explain at great and cynical length why their ambitions are so trivial; to him, too, there is no puzzle. Only Harry Potter, for all the books he has read, is unable to understand; to the Boy-Who-Lived the life choices of the Lords and Ladies seem incomprehensible - not what a good person would do, nor yet an evil person either. Now which of the three is most wise?

I can't say that Quirrel is more wrong than Harry, but Dumbledore's position ("of course some people should not be powerful wizards") is fatuous in his own universe, much less in the real world. It might turn out to be right, but there's no of course about it. In short, my only assertion is that Dumbledore is not qualified to be our moral ideal in an imperfect universe, even if he is a better choice that Fawkes.

Comment author: Percent_Carbon 29 March 2012 06:39:16AM 0 points [-]
  • A) Dumbledore argues that Dumbledore is a better moral ideal than Fawks, but he doesn't do it very well

  • B) Even if we are in a universe that runs on causality, we often misunderstand how the causality mechanics interact with us. Likewise, Dumbledor thinks he is the eccentric mentor when sometimes he is the obstructive zealout.