hairyfigment comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 13, chapter 81 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: hairyfigment 31 March 2012 07:09:02AM 3 points [-]

Yes, technically it looks like he obliviated her much later -- after the final conversation led her to either curse Draco or think thoughts that made that story halfway plausible.

Comment author: GeeJo 31 March 2012 12:15:15PM 0 points [-]

In theory, the groundhog day attack could be only indirectly related to current events. The obsessive paranoia could merely be a side-effect of H&C trying to gain information, and the botched duel an unforeseen consequence.

I don't actually think that's the case, but it's a plausible enough scenario.

Comment author: bogdanb 01 April 2012 01:24:05PM 1 point [-]

Interesting fact: just making her angry was not enough for setting up the murder attempt. She had to accuse Draco of plotting and overcome his magic, in public, to have him forced into a duel. Also, if the death-blow itself was faked, a public duel would not have been enough, Draco had to think of the first private duel.

Thus, if it is a plot to frame Hermione, whoever did it was really good (or ridiculously lucky) at predicting the consequences, not just Hermione’s reaction. So either its an extremely good Xanathos gambit, and everything was anticipated, or a completely unplanned series of consequences that just happened to have a lot of results all of which are in favor of a certain bad guy. On narrative grounds I lean towards the first version.

Hmm. On second thought, it could be just that someone set-up a very volatile situation and took advantage of each resulting opportunity instantly with extreme precision, but that seems about as hard as predicting all the consequences outright.

Comment author: clgroft 03 April 2012 03:09:24AM 0 points [-]

Or he could just be tracking everything that happened to Draco. Q has admitted to casting alarm charms on him.

In fact, it just occurred to me that Q could very well have been using Legilimency on Draco as well. Would the Aurors have checked for that? Would Lucius?

Comment author: pedanterrific 03 April 2012 03:18:40AM 3 points [-]

In fact, it just occurred to me that Q could very well have been using Legilimency on Draco as well. Would the Aurors have checked for that? Would Lucius?

Quirrell seems to think it's a real possibility:

"Legilimency, on Malfoy's heir? Did Lucius Malfoy learn of it, he would have me assassinated outright."

Comment author: clgroft 03 April 2012 03:21:29AM 0 points [-]

That's what made me think of it!