wedrifid comments on Our Phyg Is Not Exclusive Enough - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 15 April 2012 06:34:10AM 4 points [-]

Read map and territory, and understand the way of Bayes.

See, it's exactly this kind of ponderous verbiage that leads to the necessity for rot13-ing certain words.

Specifically 'the way of'. Would you have the same objection with 'and understand how bayesian updating works'? (Objection to presumptuousness aside.)

Comment author: Bugmaster 15 April 2012 08:06:05AM 5 points [-]

Probably. The same sentiment could be expressed as something like this:

The map is not the territory; if you understood how Bayesian updating works, you would know that facts and opinions are qualitatively the same.

This phrasing is still a bit condescending, but a). it gives an actual link for me to read an educate my ignorant self, and b). it makes the speaker sound merely like a stuck-up long-timer, instead of a creepy phyg-ist.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 April 2012 08:23:02AM -1 points [-]

The map is not the territory; if you understood how Bayesian updating works, you would know that facts and opinions are qualitatively the same.

This phrasing is still a bit condescending

Educating people is like that!

What I would have said about the phrasing is that it is wrong.

Comment author: Bugmaster 15 April 2012 08:30:42AM 0 points [-]

Educating people is like that!

Merely telling people that they aren't worthy is not very educational; it's much better to tell them why you think they aren't worthy, which is where the links come in.

What I would have said about the phrasing is that it is wrong.

Sure, but I have no problem with people being wrong, that's what updating is for :-)

Comment author: wedrifid 15 April 2012 09:25:28AM 1 point [-]

Merely telling people that they aren't worthy is not very educational; it's much better to tell them why you think they aren't worthy, which is where the links come in.

Huh? This was your example, one you advocated and one that includes a link. I essentially agreed with one of your points - your retort seems odd.

Sure, but I have no problem with people being wrong, that's what updating is for :-)

Huh again? You seemed to have missed a level of abstraction.