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105 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 21 April 2009 02:44AM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 21 April 2009 04:54:14PM 8 points [-]

So part of the question is whether this is a hospital or a medical conference.

Comment author: MBlume 21 April 2009 05:20:43PM 3 points [-]

Data point: I followed a link to OB from reddit, got (largely) cured, and am now doing my best to assist the doctors.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 21 April 2009 05:24:44PM *  0 points [-]

Fair enough. More specifically, the problem is in the efficiency of this criterion: yes, there is a correlation, but is a rule worth enforcing, would it hurt more than help? So, I guess the point comes down to me not considering this particular feature as salient as you do.

Comment author: thomblake 21 April 2009 05:16:23PM 0 points [-]

So in essence, you're asking whether this is:

  1. a place for experts on rationality to come and discuss / build on important developments, or

  2. a place for people who need rationality to come and get better

ne?

Comment author: ciphergoth 21 April 2009 05:25:06PM *  3 points [-]

The distinction isn't quite as simple as I'm making - we are all actively fighting our own and each other's irrationalities - but I still think there's a line that can be drawn of whether a person is fundamentally in tune with the rationalist values that this site is all about.

However, I am given pause by the fact that everyone except Annoyance seems to disagree with me.

Comment author: komponisto 21 April 2009 10:44:38PM *  6 points [-]

I agree with you in a weak sense . My position is that while we shouldn't officially exclude theists from participation, we should nevertheless be free to take atheism completely for granted -- as would be manifested, for instance, in unhesitatingly using theism as a canonical example of irrationality. The kind of theist who will be welcome here is the kind who can handle this.