hairyfigment comments on Rationality Quotes July 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: hairyfigment 09 July 2012 08:28:40PM -1 points [-]

That seems like a lot of comments you made there. Are you saying that if people consistently held poisonous snakes without getting bitten, and on inspection only their vocal faith distinguished them from other people, you personally would not increase your belief in literal god(s) one whit? If so, how do you justify this seemingly anti-Bayesian position?

Comment author: lavalamp 09 July 2012 11:27:12PM 1 point [-]

All pro-snake-handling gods are gods, but not all gods are pro-snake-handling gods.

Evidence against pro-snake-handling gods is evidence against such a tiny slice of god-space that I'm calling it a rounding error.

Evidence in the other direction would have a drastically different effect, of course. In the hypothetical world where snake handling ability was perfectly correlated with stated beliefe and all confounding factors have been accounted for, I would massively increase the probability mass I give to pro-snake-handling gods (and consequently, gods in general).

Comment author: wedrifid 10 July 2012 12:46:28AM -2 points [-]

All pro-snake-handling gods are gods, but not all gods are pro-snake-handling gods.

Is that still true at the limit of zero gods existing? It certainly precludes a counter-example!

Comment author: lavalamp 10 July 2012 03:24:05AM 1 point [-]

Does it help if I add the qualifier "hypothetical" or "possible"?

I.e., All possible pro-snake-handling gods are gods, but not all possible gods are pro-snake-handling gods.

Otherwise I'm not sure I follow what you're saying...

Comment author: wedrifid 10 July 2012 03:41:24AM 0 points [-]

Does it help if I add the qualifier "hypothetical" or "possible"?

Yes. (And I only mentioned the exception because it surprised me that the near tautology had a counterexample.)