I've just launched WorldviewNaturalism.com, which is intended as a simple "landing page" to be used for introducing your friends to scientific naturalism. Many of the recommended readings linked there are written by LWers. Enjoy.

(This is a very old personal project on which I've spent a few hours per month, and it is not at all associated with the Singularity Institute or the Center for Applied Rationality.)

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[-][anonymous]12y80

The video had high production values, but it did make me cringe a bit.

First of all, it felt very choir-preachy - like a five-minute applause light instead of a persuasive summary of naturalism. Additionally, it felt as though too much time was spent on attacking religious strawmen. This feels unnecessary - like it would suffice to go straight to an exposition of what naturalism is rather than an cursory examination of several non-naturalism points in belief-space. And if popular non-naturalist points in belief-space are to be examined, it would do well to refute their best arguments instead of an easily-dismissable strawman.

Secondly - I think there are unintentionally sexist overtones here. The (somewhat condescending) example given of activities which are less useful than developing a worldview was shopping for clothes, an activity people tend to associate with women and femininity. This was not helped by the stock footage of this section consisting almost entirely of women. Contrast this with the collage of naturalists at 4:59 - almost all men. And though the use of the male-pronoun-default is a longstanding tradition, referring to the generic platonic naturalist as "he" rubs me the wrong way. Overall, this seems likely to dissuade half of the target audience, and subtly encourage some highly undesirable patterns in the remainder.

The graphics, music, animation, editing, and most of the celebration of naturalism was very well done. This has the makings of greatness, but I would urge some edits to increase its efficacy.

Most wouldn't notice such subtle sexism, but it's still worth fending off the appearance of it.

I wouldn't change this video (except that including a female face among the "well known naturalists" is a good idea if possible); I'd create an additional one aimed at contrasting the fair treatment and respect women can expect from naturalist thinkers as opposed to naive-traditional or ideological-religious ones.

As for your first suggestion, although I don't know what it feels like to be introduced to "naturalism", I think it's a mistake to lead with maximum rigor. The level of difficulty seemed appropriate to me.

As I saw it, the purpose of this video was to suggest that naturalists might be nice, happy, cool people, as opposed to, say, baby eaters - to motivate people to actually entertain the site's writings.

On the People page, the picture next to Richard Carrier's name is the same as the picture next to Richard Boyd's.

and that's because science.

That made me smile, [edit] especially because I had just recently read the Language Log article Because NOUN.

The rest of the video made me kind of uncomfortable, though, because it felt like (and I guess sort of was) an advertisement, and you keep saying "worldview naturalism" where anyone else would have said "the naturalistic worldview" or just "naturalism".

(And this is just a personal thing, but I would have put Hofstadter's GEB and Drescher's Good & Real in the self and free will readings section.)

Overall, cool website.

The rest of the video made me kind of uncomfortable, though, because ... you keep saying "worldview naturalism" where anyone else would have said "the naturalistic worldview" or just "naturalism".

Seconded, that felt unnatural and kinda irked me.

Did you have to use the dirty napkin template? I was fighting the urge to wipe my monitor screen again and again the whole time.

I notice I am confused. I do not agree with the statement "all websites should look clean and sparse" but I have also never once thought "this website is too clean-looking".

These seems at odds with each other.

Perhaps I have not explored the right part of the website layout continuum.

Sometimes I think "this website is really boring-looking".

You may sometimes have failed to think (or feel) "this website is dynamic and exciting and intriguing" where you might have done so had its designers given more weight to other things besides cleanness and sparsity.

Did you have to use the dirty napkin template?

Parchment! Parchment, my friend. :)

Many of the links to people's Wikipedia pages simply go to the the main page of Wikipedia.

But yes, it is a great site.

Might not be worth the trouble of fixing, but there's a typo in the first question ('jouney') of the Richard Carrier interview. Good work, btw; looks like a good resource for getting into naturalism. Are you going to doing any networking for the site (e.g., interviews on podcasts like The Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe)? Such a project could serve as a nice bridge between SI and the skeptic community and bring in potential donors.

Nice video. Hair got even spikier in the second half, as did my liking.

For my taste, lukeprog should speak more rapidly. Perhaps this is incompatible with the awesome smile / body language or background footage, though.

I clicked on some links and many didn't work (sorry, forgot which). Probably fixed by now.